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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in Account Settings or using this page.
Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/ (Might have to clear cache)
Can also read about the changes here: https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/
I think people feel loyalty to Plex and I understand why. I even understand why they're charging for self-hosting considering their costs of delivering the dynamic DNS, software development, content info, etc. But being closed source, VC funded, and with their core product an increasingly small part of their business, it's all a powerful recipe for enshittification. Tech Altar has talked before about how enthusiast brands often betray their users. Jellyfin was not a trivial set up for remote access, but I've really been happy with it, and I like having the peace of mind of having control over how it works
I set up tailscale for remote access and it was pretty easy and painless. Maybe not as "average user" simple as plex, but no harder than setting up lan games to play across the internet that non techy people were doing in my high school 20 years ago.
Yeah with VPN it's more straightforward. I wanted it accessible without which was more involved. Honestly the average user doesn't even know what tailscale or wireguard are, so you are already advanced using those
That's true, but tbh I only know about it because chat gpt put me onto it. I asked it how to access jellyfin outside my home and it told me tailscale and explained how to set it up pretty easily.
I got concerned when people started buying Plex hats. And being excited about that purchase.
I noticed that Logo on Hats people who are willing to pay for them is often a bit concerning.
It was easy considering I was already using custom domain for Plex.
So, forwarding a port on your router was a difficult process?
Nginx/caddy, dynamic DNS, buying a domain, setting it up with cloudflare is well outside the capabilities of most people. Took me a few hours to figure out
don't proxy the jellyfin domain through cloudflare. They don't like transiting video and will kill your account for it, especially if you're just a free user.
I thought that was only for tunnels
https://blog.cloudflare.com/updated-tos
The proxy will auto-CDN content. You need to disable CDN in order to stay in line with TOS. You can use one of the available rules to "fix" this... but this will already be even more above the general person's head that it's just better to tell people to not proxy the plex/jellyfin domain at all.
Oh I think I turned off the CDN, but I'll check, thanks for the tip
So if I'm not behind a double nat, I can just forward a port like a civilized person?
imagine not being behind a CGNAT in current year
if you're not paying a fucking mint for a real IPv4 address never tell anyone, it's a mistake.
Lol, I'm not. My ISP does not use cgnat and offers symmetrical bandwidth nationwide.
Feels good not being American.
Port forwarding is a breeze to me and my NAS. Id be willing to switch to JF if I can seamlessly setup the connection, even with my lifetime Plexpass.
Weird, I live in America, have 8gbps symmetrical and am not CGnatted. Odd for you to so blindly exclaim what you did.
How much are you paying for that?
$165/mo. Under business contract.
Edit: No caps either... Last 30 days 11TB download, 175TB upload.
That's nice. I pay 28 USD for mine, so yeah, mines a better deal.
Not without additional context it's not... Is your service 8gbps? Do you have SLAs in place? Will your ISP send you hate mail after using a mere 10TB of data?
I don't need 8gbps. What would I be doing with that? My internet is not capped either. You're comparing a good doméstic internet connection with a business level service...
It's like saying your 10k build is better than a 500$ PS5 for playing games. It obviously is, but I can still play the same game.
Are you okay?
I didn't compare mine to yours at all. You're the one that said your 28 USD service was a better deal. YOU made the comparison. YOU asked for the details.
No, he provided details for his internet first. You're the one who came in comparing your business contract internet with his non-business one. Did you just conveniently forget that?
You need to scroll up and pay attention.
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<makes a comparison without qualifying anything about the comparison, claiming theirs to be superior>
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They provided no details at all... this whole engagement. We still don't actually know what speeds they even get for their mere 28USD. Could be 100mbps and it would be significantly worse by ever metric than my 8gbps. I can't compare my service to something that we have no details for.
He provided details about his non-business internet being symmetrical and YOU compared it to your business contract line, that's literally how it started.
The cost is to prove that Americans do not have easy access to the same level of internet his country has, which is his main point. You needed to purchase a business line to have it symmetrical, which is not accessible to the everyone.
Just because you can pay 100 times the cost of healthcare in European countries to get high quality heathcare in America, it doesn't mean the average American can afford to go to the hospital or that your healthcare system is just as good. The same thing applies to your internet.
To my residential house... of which my neighbor can get the same service, under a residential contract. Also they didn't say if their internet was residential or not.
No. My neighbor can also get 8/8, under a different SLA as residential. I only provided "under business contract" because that changes the price.
You're not making a good look for your stance when you over hyperbolize the situation. I pay 5.89 times more... for what could be 8-80 times more speed. We don't know because THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.
If your neighbour can also get symmetrical internet with a residential contract, then that would be the better example to prove his point wrong.
A business contract is not a good comparison because they usually are symmetrical for a premium price regardless of the quality of the residential internet in your area.
Even in my country you can get symmetrical internet with a business contract, yet I'll never claim my country's internet is comparable to one that do provide it for a normal residential connection, because we don't have that option here.
And he did say his internet was a normal domestic internet, btw.
I needed to hyperbolize the situation because you can't seem to grasp why a business line wasn't a good comparison, as you can see from how it works in my country. All you needed to do was provide the point that the symmetrical internet is not exclusive to a business contract and it would have made your argument completely valid.
Sure, but I don't get their bill now do I?
Which was the point of me bringing it up... my price is likely higher than my neighbor. But I know that the same speeds are available. Symmetric.
Once again though... Without more information we can't actually compare but at face value... I pay 5.89 times for for presumably 8-80 times more speed. EVEN ON MY BUSINESS CONTRACT. Hard to say that their service is categorically better than mine...
Man, you're still missing the point and you wonder why I had to resort to hyperbole. Nvm, since you don't actually seem interested with disproving his point effectively and still want to compare prices despite it being irrelevant to the actual point, there's not much use with continuing this discussion. You've provided information that proved half his point about US internet is incorrect, and that's good enough for me.
Been with 2 providers this year and neither have been behind CGNAT.
I'm not behind a CGNAT and that's completely free. I do pay for that IP to be static though, but that's only ~$6.50/month (USD).