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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

In the current chapter of “I go looking on linkedin for sneer-bait and not jobs, oh hey literally the first thing I see is a pile of shit”

text in imageCan ChatGPT pick every 3rd letter in "umbrella"?

You'd expect "b" and "I". Easy, right?

Nope. It will get it wrong.

Why? Because it doesn't see letters the way we do.

We see:

u-m-b-r-e-l-l-a

ChatGPT sees something like:

"umb" | "rell" | "a"

These are tokens — chunks of text that aren't always full words or letters.

So when you ask for "every 3rd letter," it has to decode the prompt, map it to tokens, simulate how you might count, and then guess what you really meant.

Spoiler: if it's not given a chance to decode tokens in individual letters as a separate step, it will stumble.

Why does this matter?

Because the better we understand how LLMs think, the better results we'll get.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Why does this matter?

Well, its a perfect demonstration that LLMs flat-out do not think like us. Even a goddamn five-year old could work this shit out with flying colours.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah exactly. Loving the dude's mental gymnastics to avoid the simplest answer and instead spin it into moralising about promptfondling more good

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 1 hour ago

LLMs cannot fail, they can only be prompted incorrectly. (To be clear, as I know there will be people who think this is good, I mean this in a derogatory way)

That's a whole lot of words to say that it can't spell.