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Maga’s era of ‘soft eugenics’: let the weak get sick, help the clever breed
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If they need help figuring out how to breed, they're not clever.
Fixed.
Odd that the editor who added the headline felt the need to play down the white supremacist nature of this program.
Pronatalism is invariably some combination of racist and misogynistic.
It's either by choice or accident.
Broad strokes & bad wording. I'm mainly pointing that bad wording comment at the title, and the author. It's obviously not a problem of figuring out how to breed, it's just that men are looking at divorce rates, divorce courts, alimony, child support, etc & they're saying, "Yeah...fuck all that, I want nothing to do with that." Enough of the smart, smarter ones aren't producing children. Technically you could say "that's a big problem for the country".
Hence...they need help/incentive to decide to pump out babies. A one-time $5K baby bonus is on the table, which to his credit as the author points out, is nothing. A one-time $5K payment isn't going to flip the switch for men.
Now Hungary is offering tax exemption for life, for women that have 4 or more kids. Again, there seems to be no mention of the men, I guess they can go fuck themselves....but all I'm saying is now there's an incentive!! At least for the women. Fuck taxes.
Taxes are what enable countries to make parenthood safe and affordable for everyone, and provide healthcare and education for all the children. "Fuck taxes" is shortsighted.
As an American & living in IL, double whammy, enough of my tax dollars are stolen & repurposed for....anything they want, really, besides improving society and the lives of citizens. So that's lost on me.
We needed to legalize gambling in IL, "for the children & roads". We need to legalize marijuana, "for the children & roads". With the last one, they legalized it (yay) and the money does indeed go into the fund for education & roads...but then they move that exact amount out of the fund & take it elsewhere, like it's their own personal piggy bank. 😆 The corruption is so obvious, it would be funny if it wasn't ruining our lives.
It's like dealing with a bunch of morally bankrupt children, "You said it has to go into the fund...but you didn't say I couldn't take it out & spend it on other stuff!" Bitch, do I really have to?? It's kind of implied, when we're raising taxes for the children & the roads, that you spend the money on child education. And the roads. Like George Carlin, I am inclined to think this is by design.
Yeah, see pregnancy can kill women. It fucks their whole bodies up, more children makes them more fucked up. Guys just cum and it's over.
Fuck taxes on the poor.
Technically true, but if you're not a piece of shit & you financially support, physically be there for your own children, you don't just cum & it's over.
Right, but that is all physiologically optional. None of it is physiologically optional for the mother. Childbirth is so painful that many women going through it prefer a giant needle in their spine that induces what is essentially temporary paralysis to actually feeling it. They've deserve a hell of a lot more than a little tax incentive, it's really the absolute least we could possibly be doing for them.
Two questions:
"it's just that men are looking at..." Do you have any evidence that men in general are doing that? Or specifically "smarter" ones?
Why do you need a specific reason to not be in a relationship, as opposed to a reason to be in one?
Also going to give a bonus, that "smarter" comment was just a quick little aside thrown into the larger & not entirely connected argument against marriage. I was referring to not having children, a second argument that could have been a separate paragraph, but I didn't want to make the comment even longer. That's kind of a format error on my part, and I apologize.
And yes, there is also proof of that. Web search 'higher education lower birth rate', verbatim, and you'll see supporting evidence. All around the world, more education, overall less babies.
Now it's important to not be overly reductive and actually think, "Me smart, me have no babies. You have babies, you dumb ." Not true. But all the various factors surrounding being in a first world country, having access to resources, better work opportunities, and yes having a higher education & access to more information....very much tends to lead....to having fewer and/or no children. Again, it's playing out around us, we're below replacement rate like many other developed nations around the world.
But there's just no need to produce children like there is in developing or third world countries. In some countries, they're popping out all the babies they can because they don't even know how many will survive into adulthood. In countries with no law or support, children are the poor man's pension. It's a proven method that works, there's more at stake, that's all they know, that's what they do. And I get that.
I find myself in very different circumstances, with very different rules of engagement & on its face extremely limited payoff for having children. Selfish analysis aside, I personally believe having children (especially now) is a little selfish & I don't want to bring children into this world to be mere financial batteries for the state. Additionally, when polled, 15% of parents admit to regretting having kids. And if you ask me it's at least 15%, it's the 15% that have the balls to admit it. I have a friend like that, told me he regretted becoming a parent. And idk it's hard to say "what might have been" & whatnot, but given my personality & my beliefs I'm inclined to think that I would also be in that 15%. After I aged up & learned more than I knew at 18-26 years old. Young, dumb, full of cum & whatnot.
1.) Well, yes. It's reality, playing out around us all the time, for the reasons I listed. The evidence: web search 'marriage rates in the US', and see they are on a very steep decline. Women open the door to the bedroom, but it is men that open the door to the home, and marriage. Marriage rates are on a steep decline...because men are opting out of the institution of marriage (as it is currently configured), choosing instead to cohabitate or MGTOW.
2.) There is societal programming, and enough of it is good & right & leads to the benefit of society as well as the individual. But specifically marriage, I just don't know how much it benefits the man anymore, but it's still pushed. I think men need to be presented with all the facts, presented with options they might not have even considered & hard-checked like listen: have you really thought this through? One side is all pro-marriage, don't think about it just do it. Isn't it only fair to list some good reasons to....not? Men's lives are at stake.
Men aren't dumb; men are watching other men in their relationships, we know half or more of all marriages end in divorce, we know 70% of divorces are initiated by women, we see how it plays out in divorces, we see alimony & child support...we have more access to information than ever before. If you'd like to learn more straight facts & statistics, presented in as condensed of a form as possible, I recommend you check out "The Book of Numbers: Analyzing the ROI on the Pursuit of Women" by Aaron Clarey. What are the chances of getting married? Of staying married? Even if the marriage lasts, will you be, you know, happy and/or better off for having married? It's a compelling read that makes a rock solid case for MGTOW.
It's a red-pill movement, but not a black-pill. As outlined in Aaron Clarey's book The Menu: Life Without the Opposite Sex.. Enough of society tries to tie marriage/family with life itself, and how if you fail to marry or have children, your life is meaningless. Men internalize this bullshit, and are killing themselves at record rates. Men account for 80% of suicides, and suicide is the #1 cause of death for men under 50. MGTOW teaches that regardless of whether you can't get into a relationship, or you choose not to, or you got into a bad one & it failed, that's not a reason to end your life. You can have a happy, strong, fulfilled life sans marriage, significant other.