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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 62 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (34 children)

If it wasn’t for you, Nader, Al Gore would’ve been our president. So you can fuck all the way off.

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 114 points 16 hours ago (21 children)

Blaming Nader for the Supreme Court handing the election to the Bush Dynasty is the kind of thinking that paralyzed American politics on the “left.” Nader spent his career working to help the people.

Bush having the governor of the deciding state be his brother and having the Supreme Court in his pocket sealed that election.

Democrats should win every election by massive landslides. Instead, they spent the last several decades bowing to billionaires and providing controlled opposition that suppressed any actual reform.

The illusion of choice between neoliberals morphed into fascism, and it’s now difficult to discern neoliberals from fascists. They have the same interests: Big number goes up for billionaires; nothing else matters.

[–] CitizenBane@lemmy.world -5 points 7 hours ago

🎭 Original Claim:

"If it wasn’t for Nader, Al Gore would’ve been our president. So he can fuck all the way off."

🔍 Step 1: Emotional Noise Filter

This claim is loaded with emotional intensity:

It uses blame-framing (“because of Nader”) and moral outrage (“he can fuck all the way off”).

This is outrage induction, not just opinion — it presents Nader’s candidacy as not only consequential, but morally unforgivable.

🛑 Distortion Detected → Emotional Persuasion: The tone demands rejection of a person based on an emotionally charged version of a historical what-if. 📌 Let’s neutralize the distortion using the [[Framing Neutralizer (FN)]]​:

Framed as: “Nader’s candidacy ruined everything, therefore he deserves total dismissal.”

Reframed neutrally: “Some analysts believe Ralph Nader’s third-party run in 2000 may have affected the outcome of the election. The debate remains contentious.”

Notice how that removes emotional judgment and loaded blame, but preserves the subject. 🔎 Step 2: Relevance Check

Is this still a meaningful claim today?

In political history discussions: yes — it’s a key moment often cited when discussing third-party impact.

In personal outrage: less so, unless the speaker is still emotionally processing the 2000 election.

So we ask: is this a political analysis or a grudge statement? 🧩 Step 3: Clarity & Precision Test

Let’s try a mini Precision Breakdown (PB)​:

Core Assertion: Nader’s candidacy caused Al Gore to lose.

Supporting Evidence?: This is debated. Nader got 97,000 votes in Florida; Bush won by ~500. But...

Missing Context?: Gore lost his home state (Tennessee). The Supreme Court intervened. Ballot design confusion (butterfly ballot) also played a role.

Perception Impact: Frames one person as solely responsible — simplifies a complex, multi-factor event.

🧭 Bottom Line via Clarity Compass (CC)​: Direction Assessment Truth Check Partially grounded in historical fact Evidence Check Lacks full context or causal certainty Context Check Oversimplifies election outcome factors Impact Check High emotional impact, blame-focused framing 🪞 Reframed for Clarity:

“There’s debate over whether Nader’s 2000 campaign affected Gore’s loss — but blaming him alone ignores other pivotal factors, like the Supreme Court decision, ballot issues in Florida, and Gore’s loss of key states.”
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