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It's also funny to me when people say they are Christian but don't want to help the poor. The good Samaritan is very clear. So is the bit about the sheep and the goats.
But you can use the Bible to justify anything, I guess.
Christianity is about control for the powerful and bedtime stories to make you feel better about inexcusable shitty behavior for the masses.
That's the church. I would take care to keep the institution distinct from the spirituality. Some of the most practicing and compassionate radical leftists I've ever met have been christian anarchists.
I'm not Christian and I don't want to see them. Also I didn't consider housing them to be my job. That's why we have government that we elect and pay taxes to in order to fund it. This is just bs sign that simply virtue signaling instead of asking hard questions.
You don't want to see them because you want them to be housed, or you want them to be forcibly moved so they're unhoused out of sight?
The government should be doing more for the housing crisis, but a first step for that is getting people aware of the issue and on board with solutions.
I don't want to see them because they are dangerous. Reasons don't matter. I've been harassed and my wife was attacked by homeless people in Portland. She has pretty severe PTSD right now because of that.
Everyone is dangerous.
Kind of shitty to oppose systemic changes that would help them and reduce danger
No housed person has harassed or attacked me since middle school.
Housed persons are peaceful. Unhoused persons are dangerous.
Literally if public housing was dispersed equally and equitably across a given city or area, as time goes by, unhoused people would housed people nearby anyone. They become peaceful by your logic.
The government might be able to do this using eminent domain, but people like you would oppose it in your neighborhood.
Everyone has to be onboard with this so the load on everyone becomes proportional and not disproportional.
And this is where American individualism gets in the way. People don't value community, and so politicians would be hard pressed to get this done while being shunned from office come time for the next election.
How do you break down American individualism? By removing barriers between housed and unhoused people, doing outreach, having conversations, and lending a helping hand in redevelopment.
Sounds like you're allergic to all of those though
People like me? You know nothing about me. Like for starters that I already live in the neighborhood with high number of public housing units. I have nothing against them whatsoever. I encourage them to build more. Yeah like having outreach and all that other bullshit solved the issue. Did you catch that I live in Portland? I see with my own eyes that these policy are not working even though bleeding hearts keep on talking about them like they are Jesuses incarnate.
How are those government people that you elected working out?
Not well. I don't know if you mean to imply something, but I live in Portland and our government is very liberal. And yes I voted for them. And yes they have solved absolutely nothing.
The notion of government being not your job, something you pay someone else to do, is a fallacy. And the notion that it can be that is fantasy. But even if that were the case, you'd be a chump to not at least demand in writing an undelivered service that you already paid for. We do have local council reps now.
Wtf? Government is my job when I vote for it based on their declared policies. Demand services in writing? What are you talking about? What country are you from?
Nope, that's the fallacy again. Literally not the way that it actually works. You have to hold your reps feet to the coals. Interests that are opposite your own already understand this fact. You have to get involved at least at some minimal level, or you'll never get what you want out of politics and will forever stay frustrated.
Portlanders do struggle with this concept more than a lot of other urban Americans and I think it's largely due to the fact that until a few months ago we were the only major city that didn't have a city council. They look at me like I'm an alien, and ask things like what country am I from.
I already have a job. I don't need the second one. If I did, I would run for office myself.
All good, I'm starting to realize that this interaction would have been even more a waste of my time had you actually taken my advice to heart.
Useless advice from naive individual. What is there to discuss.