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Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.

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[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

You are high off your rocker if you legitimately think you have a better chance of winning as an independent (or whatever they want to call the new party) than a democrat right now. We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people's minds. I am very very in favor of additional parties and have always thought that the two party system is absolutely terrible for just about everything we wish a government to do but at this point I just don't see it happening for quite some time, epecially with first past the polls voting.

John Adams was painfully accurate in his warning:

Let me now warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party... It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeebles the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption... There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.

The whole letter is fantastic and incredibly salient today. But this sums it up decently.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds.

No, quite the opposite: we need a whole bunch of non-fascist Democrats to spectacularly defect all at once, such that the public perceives the new party as having captured the initiative and momentum. The loss of that public mindshare and base of support would then cause the remaining dregs of the Democratic Party to collapse.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

What we need and what is are two wildly different things. I also think asking for the collapse of one party and the creation of another is only going to lead you right to the same problem. It may take you a bit to get there but a two party system is a recipe for exactly what you are seeing.