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Even the existence of the phrase "vote blue no matter who" is a dead giveaway as to why the Democrats failed... Again.
You cannot run entirely on simply not being the other party. That is not enough to entice voters on the fence. You might think it is and those people on the fence are too stupid so they should just "vote blue no matter who", but clearly that hasn't been fucking work for the Democrats.
You ignore one simple fact.
The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.
It takes two sides to have a reasonable discussion, but only one side to start a war.
It's a war and you've been invaded.
They literally don't though. They voted for Trump because they liked him, not because he ran as a Republican. There's that phenomenon where Trump voters also vote for candidates like AOC or Bernie Sanders, so... Yeah.
A lot of people that voted for Bernie back in the day voted for Trump and then AOC down ballot in 24.
The far left cannot fathom people making those choices or existing at all it seems. But they really do.
Milquetoast liberals are about as much in denial about this as the hard left socialists, maybe even more so.
I definitely feel the denial rates on this particular topic lessen the more towards center you get, but I get your point.
Suuuuuuure they did buddy...
Now get to sleep so the Easter Bunny has time to hide the eggs.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aoc-trump-voters_n_67320370e4b052f25adcff55
AOC was surprised and when she tried to talk to people to understand why they would vote for her and Trump the left threw a fit and yelled at her.
Y'all are in deep denial about this shit apparently.
Oh ok...
That's saying more people voted her and trump in 2024 than voted her and trump in 2020.
Not what you claimed it said.
That number includes people who voted Republican up and down ballot in 2020 just as much as it includes people who voted D for both in 2020.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/upshot/voters-trump-bernie-sanders.html
So now you think every Bernie supporter was a Democrat before 2016?
You're doing a great job of illustrating how progressive policy is popular with voters regardless of party tho, so by all means keep going...
Are you just doing that thing where people assume an article supports them but didn't take the time to read it?
Speaking of, here's the link in case you delete it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/upshot/voters-trump-bernie-sanders.html
Just keep on making assumptions about me. So far you've been wrong every single time lol.
I read both the articles before I sent them. I never delete comments or posts. I'm not a Republican. You got any other shit takes you wanna make about me?
Well, do you understand them now?
Because it doesn't really seem like it's sunk in...
I don't think you even understand what argument you have been trying to make since the start. YOU came into the thread saying something I said was bullshit.
I sent you proof it wasn't two different times and you decided to just change what the argument was from the start.
Your first comment in this thread was calling into question my claim that ex Bernie supporters voted for Trump and AOC.
I sent you two different articles talking out the topic with data that backs up what I said that those people DO exist despite the left being largely in denial about it.
Hell there's a fuckin wiki article talking about the Bernie--->Trump voters for the 2016 and 2020 elections: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanders%E2%80%93Trump_voters
I don't know what your malfunction is, but I think I'm all good on explaining the same thing to you over and over.
Have a good day.
I 100% understand where you got your bad opinion from now...
There's just no logic in the steps between those two articles and what you're saying they mean.
You had an idea in your head, and you found a few kernals of truth. Then you played connect the dots and that's where the confusion happened.
It's conspiracy theory level thinking. You started with the results you wanted, found a couple things that were real, and then twisted it to get to your predetermined result.
Like, no one online is going to break you out of this line of thinking. If social media comments could break it, trump wouldn't be president right now. I hope you have friends and family that can help.
Good fucking lord the mental gymnastics on this guy are something to behold.
I didn't do any of the things you've made up in your little fantasy there. I personally know several people who went down that exact Bernie -> Trump/AOC route. I know they aren't the only people who went down that same path.
The whole point of my original comment was that people like you will do anything except admit that y'all lost some voters in this one weird specific path.
Like the other guy said. Denial of the strangest breed.
How'd that work out?
Seriously, if your plan is to follow the same path as Republicans, does that mean you think it's worked out well for them the last 20 years?
Are republican voters being taken care of by their elected officials or did having no standards and excusing everything their party did just make it so the most corrupt candidate advances to the general?
What is different about Dems that would make the result be literally the opposite, and how much more time do you think we should waste seeing if it works?
Instead of running a charismatic candidate with a progressive which statistically results in the presidency, House, and Senate?
Why not take the easy path that gets us what we want instead of the hardest path where we get the least reward?
They won, and kicked 79 Million people out of health insured status.
The fascist party always votes for fascists without thought? Who woulda guessed.
Guess we gotta be fascists and vote without thought to beat them! Why has no one just tried to out fascist fascists before, it's so simple and you're so smart for coming up with that strategy.
So what's your plan?
How do we get Trump out? Create a 3rd Party in under 24 months?
Any usable ideas?
Acknowledge the problems Americans are actually facing, pick the leaders of the thousands of protests currently happening as grass roots campaigners, identify of those leaders who has the admin experience to do the boring jobs of an elected official, while folding in the hundreds of third party reps already in office by simply taking their talking points into the platform. Ideally make a show of rejecting corporate funding and roll some union leaders into the party to provide easy consistent funding sources.
People are happy to vote for things, if they believe you're not a cop or corporate puppet, like Harris or Clinton respectively.
Oh, and public executions for people that think you can't have a third party in fptp even when one party falls entirely out of favor.
So, the same people who didn't show up for Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to come to the polls now?
People keep posting like there's this giant army of leftists out there. I haven't seen them yet, and don't plan on counting on them.
Also, your plan is remarkably light on details. Are these people going to be voting in Dem primaries, or creating a 3rd party.
And there's not one candidate named. Just some vague Not Hillary Clinton.
Yes, the people that thought sanders had no chance due to dnc corruption that they were objectively correct about will mobilize for someone without that restriction. If sanders were to start a third party he alone would ensure the dnc never gets another candidate in office. And he's a moderate.
Because of the rules on civility, I'm going to say this as absolutely nicely as I can. Who the fuck are you to demand more from a random on the internet than the entire democratic party has ever given anyone?
It's a more concrete plan than continuing to go far right as the Dems did in the last two elections where they lost.
M4a has around a 70% approval rating in polls, as does measures like focusing on green energy, taxing the rich, providing free college, retraining police, and reducing the power of the executive. Hell even ubi has over 50% in most polls. "Leftist" policies are popular. Hell socialism is extremely popular. You just can't use the word socialist or communist thanks to 80 years of you people existing.
I asked for a plan. You don't have one. You can't even name a candidate. And somehow this is all my fault.
Yeah, JAQing off is all you people do. You want us to vote, unquestioningly for whatever fascist you throw up, and constantly ask pointless leading questions after they e been answered.
The candidate shouldn't matter. This is a democracy not an oligarchy. Hell you shouldn't even be allowed to vote for individuals, given they should just be fulfilling the ideology of their party.
In any case why not de la Cruz, since she's a woman but not evil.
I still don't see anything like a plan.
Keep on yelling on the internet. Maybe some random MAGoo will see your posts and rethink everything.
GOP also always picks a Republican head of the FBI when they're in charge. So does the Democratic president. Why is that?
You may want to inform party leadership there's a war on, they been out here trying to pull a muscle reaching across the aisle.
Except the GOP doesn't always vote red, not matter who. I am friends with several people who are still registered Republicans that did not vote for Trump either time.
Fucking echo chambers are dangerous man.
Trump had a difference of less than a million votes between this election and his first. You friends are anecdotes that don’t move the needle. They are the exception not the rule.
Herman Cain was Trump's pal, I guess that means Trump's not a racist, right?
Trump begging to be king should have been enough. The fact that it wasn’t shows it’s not just ‘what the democrats do’ it’s that people are fucking stupid and hateful. Hell the VP doesn’t even know where this country came from. These people are not American. They’re traitors to the red coats and don’t even know what that means.
Well here's the thing: The average person does not, in fact, care about nebulous ideas like democracy. And why would they? Why did the democracy people do for them? Hint: The answer is nothing. That's why they vote Republican, because Republicans promise change rather than more of the same.
Then they are profoundly stupid and have no right to live in, and benefit from, a democracy. They shame the people who died to give it to them.
Because people died to give it to them and they benefit GREATLY from it.
Ignorant comment. Look up the democrat's voting history. It is full of votes in favor of the middle/lower classes. They gave me affordable healthcare when I was young and poor. The last democrat president forgave part or all of a lot of people's student loans. It also isn't just about what they do, it's about what they don't do. Like shit on the Constitution. Strip women of rights. Deconstruct our federal government. Fire a bunch of veterans. Destroy our allegiances.
Sure, but the change is always negative. Economically and socially.
I wouldn't call it full of them, but this statement is in essence true. However, they don't go nearly far enough. The Democrats promise bandaids as the country is dragged towards late stage capitalism hell by the ultra rich, and then they apply some of those bandaids as the country is—predictably—dragged toeards late stage capitalism hell by the ultra rich. The Republicans promise to end that and finally Make America Great Again. This strikes close to home because things have been getting worse for the majority of people for the last four decades, so when someone tells them that's the cultural Marxists' fault and if we end DEI things will get better like they were in the pre-DEI past they listen. That's what I meant by democracy not doing anything for them; the bandaids don't feel like they matter when they do nothing about the guy squeezing the wound for blood.
That's what they actually do. What they promise to do is Make America Great (and white) Again. It's the fascist playbook to the letter; they redirect the working class's resentment rooted in their worsening circumstances from the ruling class to an imaginary enemy (Jews, immigrants, etc) that they then persecute while promising their followers that one more pogrom and things will get better. There's only one counterplay to this and it's to actually go after the ultra rich and build a more equitable society.
It’s your hellscape, fence-sitters. Idiots. If only you could have done something, any one goddamn thing to have avoided this gutting of democracy, this looting of generations of social capital, demonizing of progressive causes and the establishment of a russian vassal state.
But I understand the candidate was not exciting enough to get off the fence.
You coulda been somebody, Charlie, you coulda been a contender.
Oh my God it's like talking to a brick wall with you people.
The Democrats have been running on a platform of "we aren't Trump" for 3 elections in a row. They lost two of them.
This loss falls on Democrat leadership far more than it falls on the people on the fence.
The fact is the Democrats failed to convince enough people they were the better option. Mostly because they tried the same strategy against the same opponent 3 fucking times.
It's the type of mentality of the people who burned medicine women as witches because they got sicker after refusing treatment.
If you tell them a bad result will happen if they stay the course, they'll be yelling at you when the bad result happens
Their brains just link the person who warned them with the bad result, and they can't accept that they were wrong.
The good news is people like that no longer run the DNC.
Sounds like you like making excuses for shitstain losers who sit around waiting for a political party to court them instead of doing their fucking homework and making responsible decisions.
Sounds like you making excuses for a shitstain party who sits around waiting for wins to come to them instead of learning from mistakes and fixing those mistakes next time.
So, setting aside the validity of this perspective, you do run into one problem: You can't import new voters. These are the hand you're dealt and complaining about them accomplishes nothing.
And you're still not getting it.
This is actually hilarious to watch. You've got multiple people in here explaining it multiple ways and y'all still can't wrap your heads around it.
Nah bud, you're not getting it.
Politicians come and go. Political parties go through phases where they're better and worse at advertising themselves. The American voters who failed to do their civic duty by responsibly informing themselves, choosing instead to sit around and wait for a party to court them until they felt appeased, will still be there next go around, waiting to not do their civic duty again, entirely dependent on whether they feel a party appeased them enough or not.
Because they're too fucking lazy to do simple things like looking up the voting history of said party. I did. Now I don't need Democrats to court me like I'm some dipshit prom queen because I KNOW they are the better option, whether they court me or not.
And you're still digging. This is fucking comical.
Keeping calling those people who didn't do exactly what you wanted a bunch of fucking idiots. I'm sure that will win them over for next time!
Democrats "Vote for us no matter what or you're an uneducated fuckwit"
Also Democrats "I can't believe acting like elitist snobs and calling people who might have voted our way idiots didn't work!"
Just keeeeeep doubling down.
2028 is gonna be really rough for y'all if you keep this mentality the whole time.