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I would happily pay more for my meal if it meant I didn't have to tip. The benefit we get from not tipping is marginal compared to the benefit restaurant owners get by not paying living wage. Not to mention it's added stress to the actual people doing the work because they don't even get the guarantee of a decent paycheck.
And there is a choice, you chose to perpetuate the system that grossly exploits the laborer, I choose to have minimal participation in such a system. Want to take a guess which of the two actually has a chance to fix the system?
But you are defending the system. You're literally saying if you end up in a place that expects tipping then you should tip. What if you're going out with a group and that group decides to go somewhere that expects tipping? Are you supposed to remove yourself from the group so you wouldn't go into a place like that?
You can't take this black and white stance where if you end up participating in this system you also have to perpetuate that system. Making the customer feel like they're responsible for the livelihood of the staff is how this tipping culture is kept alive and that is exactly what you're doing right now. You're trying to claim we are responsible for their livelihood simply because we stepped into the restaurant and ate.
Show me exactly where I defended the system. Show me a single line.
I said if you don’t want tipping to continue, you can’t support restaurants that tip. If you go to a restaurant that expects tips and you don’t tip, you are keeping them in business while screwing over the person working. It is the worst of all worlds. In that scenario you are perpetuating the system by participating in it. It’s a choice.
Trying to guilt people into tipping
Literally telling people to tip.
If nobody tipped at those restaurants nobody would work at those restaurants and those restaurants would have to either start paying livable wage or go out of business.
And I agree. I avoid going to such restaurants if given a chance. But if circumstances require going to such a restaurant do you really think tipping at that restaurant is less beneficial to the restaurant than not tipping?
If circumstances force me to participate then I should go all the way? Is that what you're saying? So if a vegan orders a plate that happens to have meat in it then the vegan should eat that meat? After-all they've already participated by ordering something with meat.
If
If
If.
I said “if” several times. The point is if you don’t want to tip or support tipping culture, don’t go somewhere that expects tips. So I’m saying “do not go somewhere that expects tips,” because I am against tipping as a system. I have been clear this entire time. I am not guilting people into tipping, I’m saying do not go somewhere where you’re supposed to tip and not tip or you’re even worse than the problem. If you do, you need to tip. But don’t go if you care about ending tipping culture.
I know you understand exactly what I am saying. Why are you so fragrantly misrepresenting me? Stop lying.
"If you don't want to support tipping culture, don't go somewhere that expects tips. But if you do happen to go somewhere that expects tips (regardless of how you end up going there) you absolutely must support tipping culture".
Now let me take your point into absurdity.
"If you don't want to support gun violence you shouldn't own a gun. But if you happen to own a gun you should do a mass shooting."
That's how your argument comes across to me. I have no issue with the first part of your argument, I do that. But I have an issue with the second part because that is defending tipping culture.
Stop lying and misrepresenting me. I am explicitly against tipping culture. Can you not read? Do I need to break this down further? Or can you stop with this disingenuous bullshit?
Which part of that statement was lying or misrepresenting? They're your words. The first part.
And the second part.
What are you not getting?
If you go somewhere that expects tips and don’t tip, you are still feeding the machine. You are still supporting the establishment. They have lost zero dollars because of you. The only person you screwed over is the person working there. So the only moral thing to do if you insist on going to a place that expects tips is to still tip. Otherwise you’re just a piece of shit.
You cannot say “I am against tipping culture“ simply because you refuse to tip. You cannot be a patron at these establishments. Full Stop. What do you not fucking get? Don’t support these places. Do not go there. Going there and refusing to tip is only hurting workers while still giving the business money.
I am not explaining this again. Stop telling me what I think. I am explicitly telling you. Stop lying. Stop misrepresenting me.
What are you not getting? Everything you've just brought up are things I've already covered. I'm done talking to a wall. Either read what I've said or stfu.
Suck my ass :)