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'Went nuclear': State Department reportedly 'shocked' as Rubio freezes foreign aid
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I was told the genocide was going to stop.
Yes they are going to end all the wars by killing all Palestinians and Ukrainians. They were very clear on that.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/26/trump-resumes-sending-2000-pound-bombs-to-israel-undoing-biden-pause
The Trump plan to end genocide is to hurry up and get it over with.
If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
I have to say it so often it's in my profile. I don't believe I've ever been wrong.
Aren't you that tankie guy?
I'm not going to provide a link, because half of the tankieverse was saying anyone voting Harris is voting genocide and you fucking know it. I of course was banned from the hexbear memes community of all places for suggesting that Trump IS going to be worse and that they all know it but don't care because Trump is the more authoritarian, more pro-Putin choice.
Moving the goalposts. You don't need to show that someone said, "Voting Harris is voting genocide" you need to find me someone who said, "If Trump wins, the genocide will stop," which is the claim that was actually made by the person I replied to. Please refrain from that sort of rhetorical trickery.
Rhetorical trickery or hyperbole?
Anyway, okay, I'll move the goalposts exactly to where they should be set:
There may or may not have been individuals claiming Trump's better. I know there were, but nobody's going to pay me what my time's worth to look up 3 month old posts. So let's say there weren't. But there were a LOT of people saying that voting for Harris = voting for genocide, which in a two party system implies that you SHOULDN'T vote for Harris, which is functionally the same as voting for Trump.
There were a lot of people using the whole genocide thing to help Trump win the election, they just weren't mostly claiming Trump would stop it, they sorta... implied it very indirectly.
Hyperbole is a form or rhetorical trickery.
Nothing else you said is relevant. I commented to point out a lie, or "hyperbole" if you want to call it that. If you want to debate something unrelated to that "hyperbole," bring it up somewhere where it doesn't serve as a deflection from a legitimate call-out.
If you take this position of, "Using hyperbole to exaggerate the other side's position to make it easier to attack is perfectly fine," it doesn't exactly give me confidence that you're going to engage in anything resembling good faith. This sort of attitude is unfortunately pervasive around here, which is why I have to use that first line so frequently.
No you weren't.
Really?
I wasn’t told that voting against Harris or not voting was going to end the Palestine genocide!?
Looks like you have a stalker that knows everything you’ve ever been told.
Nah it’s just another so-called leftist who sides with the republicans because they’re blinded by their hatred of liberals.
The dis/misinformation campaigns did a number on them.
Cut them some slack they are new at the job. It’s only a 5 day old account
Would you like to buy some snake oil? 2 bottles for the low low price of $300. It cures cancer, makes your hair grow back, treats arthritis and even helps with sleep. It's safe for adults and children too!!
their original comment was sarcastic, no need for the condescension.
And the comment section was a joke. Trump is a snake oil salesman and everyone's buying it? i was making a joke not trying to be an asshole. I'm sorry I offended you
No, no you weren't. You were explicitly told that allowing and encouraging genocide would end the Harris/Biden campaign; and that America actively participating in genocide would cause the genocide to spread domestically; and that Dems refusing to differentiate themselves on this topic would disincentive voters.
You were not told, at any point, genocide would end with a trump admin. I get liberals tend to have that thing all right wingers have with their memory where you rewrite history to match your current beliefs, but you gotta try harder when you're not in a right wing echo chamber like reddit or x.
So the leftists got mad and made the genocide worse?
It is totally a better choice then having liberals in power and working on getting better choices in the next election.
Tankies, not leftists.
Fuck them, I know several leftists and none of us want tankies among our ranks. I've got friends who are straight up pro abolishment of private property and THEY don't even support authoritarians like Putin or Trump.
The important thing isn't stopping genocide. The important thing is that leftists feel good about themselves.
The genocide is not worse. That's not a thing. Genocide is genocide, it grows until it is stopped by force and the parties response are removed from power. Was Harris going to resign and start reforming the US to ensure foreign aid can never go to Israel as along as it's a fascist ethnostate? No, her promise was to continue the genocide.
I'm sorry you'll now have to do something. I'm sorry you'll now suffer the same way you condemned others to suffer. I'm sorry you didn't do more and accepted genocide as a necessary evil like all Nazi civilians that disagreed with Hitler did.
Maybe, just maybe, it's be easier to admit you're wrong and start fighting for the first time in your life.
Yeah, that's not true. Genocides can and do get ramped up and down.
I get it, you're feeling guilty for your decisions that led to Trump winning and further escalating the genocide, but cope in reality.
Biden did not send troops to Israel, nor did he decide to "actively aid" the genocide. Removed for misinformation.
No mention in the Amnesty statement of "us troops". Again, removed for misinfornation.
Where the fuck did I talk about US troops?
Beside, wouldn't be the first time, you keep removing what's inconvenient for your denialist agenda.
The comment I removed prior to your reply specifically talked about US troops being sent to Israel, which I noted in my reply as misinfornation.
Your reply of, essentially, "Nuh uh!!" did nothing to address that statement.
If you don't know what we're talking about, you probably should stay out of it.
"If you don't know what we're talking about, you probably should stay out of it."
Admit I’m wrong and start working with the people who brought Trump into power to keep their hands clean?
Sounds as effective as praying.
Well it's that or join in on the genocide, or be a victim. Those are your three choices. We know what liberals chose to do in Nazi Germany after appointing Hitler against the evil socialists and communists; so I'm not too shocked you would join with Trump instead of admitting your mistakes and start actually working against him.
I’m a firm believer in the legalization of all drugs knowing full well that it will cause people’s death and/or their descent into addiction, sex trafficking or slavery.
Does that make it the bad option?
The difference, which I hope you know, is drugs don't have legs or arms.
Are the people who use them slugs?
Do you not care about them?
Jaqing off to unrelated topics is an interesting strategy. I wonder what other group is famous for doing so, Mr Shapiro.
You literally responded to my comment already you just haven’t answered it.
Why not?
It’s funny to me, because these people criticizing us/me for “letting Trump win” are actually the ones sliding to the right. I guess liberals just aren’t used to believing in anything, so they see conviction as a failing because it’s too extreme for them, to stand for anything besides “nO tRuMp”. lol
Us liberals see that misplaced conviction is a bad thing and it’s an opportunity for education.