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Well we know Democrats aren't up to the task
Silence, nonvoter
Hey what's it feel like seeing Trump come down on Israel and end the genocide you spent the last year telling folks like me to shut up and accept?
Get back to me in a few months
In a few months, Joe Biden will still be complicit in Israel's child-killing operation and we'll all still be mocking the people who defended or ignored it for the cowards they are.
This happened sooner than I expected: https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1883347960421118348
Good thing I didn't vote for him...
You didn't vote for anyone. If you actually cared about not supporting genocide, you could've voted third party.
Anyways, my point was that Trump isn't going to be any better for Palestine. And yet, you're accusing Harris voters of supporting genocide, when they just wanted to prevent the other atrocities Trump is committing elsewhere.
Your election logic is ridiculous and you need to get over yourself. It's clear that you don't care about genocide at all, but you care whether someone votes for a third party or not at all? THAT'S your priority?
Listen to yourself 😂😂😂 Do you lick your windowsill or something? Did you put a Q-tip in there a little too deep?
Your view about this topic is woefully uninformed and because of that you're going to end up hurting the people you want to help. I care about voting patterns because it affects whether genocide happens or not. Do you think I'm bothering you about your votes for fun?
Actually, here, let me be helpful by explaining exactly why it matters. I'll assume you're going to vote only off of the Israel-Palestine genocide issue, and don't care about anything that's happening inside of the US, since that appears to be your position so far. Let's go over the options:
Third party is clearly the best choice to prevent genocide in the future, and is technically the best choice to prevent the Gaza genocide now (although the chances of that succeeding are vanishingly small). Tell me where I went wrong if you think that's not correct, because I'm pretty confident that it's right.
Voting 3rd party would not have stopped anything, because TPTB don't care about you. Vote for them, don't vote for them, they literally do not care.
We saw it with Hillary in 2016 and we're seeing it with Harris now... "Well, clearly I'm not the problem, it's the people who were wrong..."
Harris, who REPEATEDLY called for a cease fire and a two state solution WAS the best answer to the genocide, but the morons who stayed home or voted 3rd party at best intentionally ignored what she was saying, at worst distorted it into "she supports genocide!"
October:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/18/politics/kamala-harris-michigan-gaza/index.html
She said the war “must end such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination.”
July:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
“So to everyone who has been calling for a cease-fire, and to everyone who has been calling for peace, I see you and I hear you. Let’s get the deal done so we can get a cease-fire to end the war. Let’s bring the hostages home, and let’s provide much-needed relief to the Palestinian people.”
March:
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/03/1235712368/kamala-harris-gaza-ceasefire-israel-aid
"What we are seeing every day in Gaza is devastating. We have seen reports of families eating leaves or animal feed, women giving birth to malnourished babies with little or no medical care, and children dying from malnutrition and dehydration," Harris said. "Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed."
"No excuses," the vice president said. "They must ensure humanitarian convoys are not targeted and restore basic services and order in Gaza so more food, water and fuel can reach those in need."
That is not what someone says when they are pro-genocide. That sounds like this:
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/04/04/trump-israel-gaza-public-relations
"They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to -- you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
Most people never defended or ignored it. They simply believed Trump to be a worse choice, and not voting to be equivalent to not caring which choice is chosen.
"No your honor, I was not beating that person, I was merely moving my arm up and down in a beating sort of motion. If that resulted in that person being beaten, thats simply not my fault"
Come on now @feathercrown, There needs to be a reconning with the Dem leadership having funded a genocide in order for things to move forward. Or we can continue marching toward our own extinction. You're trying to win elections here, that means swaying large groups of people-- not pointing fingers on social media posts.
And as to your other assertion:
OR, people wouldnt actively participate in immorality of that magnitude. Both candidates obviously broke major laws and so are criminals who belong behind bars, at minimum. We should all be insisting our laws be followed rather than simply gaming for the criminal wearing our parties colors to win. This isnt football. But hey, keep following your plan, its working so well.
A people are a nation. I thought we had agreed that we are a nation of laws?
I wrote a very long response but it appears to have vanished into the ether when I sent it so I'll summarize here: Don't assume how I vote, and voting is a relative choice, not a wholehearted personal endorsement. I legitimately believe Trump to be a bigger threat on the whole than Harris would be, to Palestine, Ukraine, and the US itself. Not voting isn't choosing "none of the above", and makes you complicit in the result that everyone else has chosen, since you have not reduced the chance of either candidate winning. The only legitimate protest against two equally bad options is voting third party. That's all the points with none of the arguments, so if you disagree, I can explain in more detail.
If I vote third party people criticize me for that too 🤷
They don't put 'none of the above' on ballots or I'd happily choose it.
I used to criticise people for voting third party but after gaining a greater understanding of the democratic party's flaws I now agree that it's justified. The better question is, do you believe it's better? Don't let people bully you out of making such an important civic choice. I think the benefits over not voting are pretty clear: You signal that you're an active voting member who cares about politics and are available to vote if a party changed their positions enough, but that you don't currently approve of what they're doing. And you help contribute to the currently negligibly small chance of a third party being elected.
Also, fun fact, Nevada actually does have a "None of these candidates" ballot option!
Like so.