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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah I mean I'd get rid of that and email entirely if I could but unfortunately there are legal and societal expectations.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We need email. It's one of the few protocols that are 100% in the user's control. I run my own mail server. I can't do the same for whatsapp.

We've added a lot of checks to email (SSL, DKIM, DMARC, SPF) so it's very easy to identify spam these days. It's also easy to avoid giving any two companies the same email address. That's something much harder to avoid with a phone number.

For 2FA, per-account email addresses and authenticor apps are the best approach for privacy.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I run my own mail server. I can't do the same for whatsapp.

No, but you can do the same for a wide variety of chat apps.

it's very easy to identify spam these days

LOL then why is my inbox constantly full of spam?

Platforms like SimpleX solve spam by requiring participants to have an invitation to message you. You can either send them a 1-time invitation or you can use a semi-permanent one that can be posted publicly and rolled as necessary without losing contact with anyone you've already connected with, so by the time it's mined somehow and sold to some company, it's already changed.

For 2FA, per-account email addresses and authenticor apps are the best approach for privacy.

LOL what? No they're not. How does an email protect your privacy over just a username?

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

LOL what? No they’re not. How does an email protect your privacy over just a username?

They said per-account email addresses, presumably meaning that when giving out an email address, you would use a different one for each service. That way, they couldn't be used to link you across services, and you could easily delete one (and know who to blame) if it was abused.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, I understand how email aliasing works. Again, how is that more private than a username?

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't see a claim of it being more private than a username. Perhaps the person you're arguing with views them as equally private, or is thinking of services that require some form of contact info. I can't speak for them.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's right here:

For 2FA, per-account email addresses and authenticor apps are the best approach for privacy.

I can't speak for them.

But you just did.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Zoomer spotted, opinion rejected. Email >>>>> chat apps.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Zoomer spotted

Haha, not even close

Email >>>>> chat apps.

Wrong again. But please, do go on.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

You'll pry email from my #coldDeadHands, but I haven't had a phone number for a decade.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Get married, then legally, you only need one lol.