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[–] alertsleeper@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

honest question, what's this "two-spirit" term? I can't find a straight forward explanation on the web

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two Spirit is a non binary identity with a specific cultural context within the history of indigenous peoples. In Canada, due to the increased focus on dealing with the reconciliation of Indigenous peoples the current Acronym is 2SLGBTQIA as it sort of symbolicly puts precedent on amplifying indigenous voices in the movement.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That doesn't explain it at all. By this context the term could mean gay and native Canadian.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a non-binary so neither male nor female aligned and it's basically not something someone who is not of the tribes where it's a thing can use the label. So that's basically the cliff notes.

To get more granular it's a partially ceremonial category of gender that is neither male nor female. Culturally this third gender has unique cultural and social roles similar to how male and female do that are unique to that culture. It's a social category that has it's own modes of dress, rituals and social expectations applied to it. Western culture doesn't exactly have a rigid third gender classification in this way so there's not much that two Spirit can be easily compared one to one with making it difficult to explain. Two Spirit people are sort of formally recognized by their people and assume the cultural trappings of this third gender role.

It's not linked to a specific tribe and is kind of an umbrella term, these third gender roles are a feature of a lot of different tribes that all call them something specific in their own languages so "two spirit" is just an English speaker's short cut to referring non-specifically to a person occupying one of potentially dozen different varieties of these different culture's third gender categories.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I too am curious about this term "2 spirits". From the above explanation and the term itself, I assume it means the person pretty much has a male and female component, thus "2 spirits". Sounds like gender fluid or non-binary to me but I'm not an expert on the differences.

[–] Midnight_Ice@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two spirit in a Canadian Indigenous context refers to people who identify as having two spirits inside of them. They have the spirits of both a man and a woman, so in terms outside Indigenous culture I think the most related term would be non-binary.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's interesting to see this. There's got to be a list for more of these from all over the world.

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most places in the world recognize two genders and their respective social roles: men and women. Some places recognize a third gender and its respective social and/or ceremonial role. This is the case for (some) North American Indigenous people, and two-spirit is a catch-all term to refer to a third gender role that they recognize.

It's hard to map onto the more standard two gender system that most of us are familiar with. When you think of men as the breadwinners and women as the child bearers, some cultures think of an additional distinct third gender with a designated social/ceremonial role.

But as you might have thought while reading that, men being the breadwinners and women being the child bearers is already a fairly outdated view of gender and social roles. Turns out social constructs are messier than they seem when you start to really analyze them and attempt to strictly define them.

TLDR: two-spirit is a catch-all term for a type of queer identity recognized by some North American Indigenous cultures.

[–] alertsleeper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, at risk of being reductive: it’s like non-binary, but in the way some North American indigenous cultures see it

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

It's reductive, but still close enough if you don't know/interact with nonbinary or two-spirit people on a regular basis. At least to the extent of my understanding.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AFAIK, it's basically people with different spirits inside them, falls in the gender queer domain, like being trans/NB (not a sexual orientation). So someone could have a male spirit and female spirit, or a female spirit and a nb spirit.

It primarily seems to be a First Nations/Native American identity, and appears to have a decently long history throughout time.

It also has a kinda cool flag.

[–] Midnight_Ice@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Two spirit in a Canadian Indigenous context refers to people who identify as having two spirits inside of them. They have the spirits of both a man and a woman, so outside Indigenous culture I think the most related term would be non-binary.

[–] regalia 1 points 1 year ago

isn't that just multiple personality disorder