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Fuck Musk. He built an entire automotive platform on the concept of "sustainable transportation" and took those on the right to task for denying climate change. NOW he's supporting the POS GOP candidate that had the audacity to call climate change a "hoax" repeatedly at the debate. Fuck you Elon!
Dude Elon never did anything. Only people he paid with emerald slave money did.
I'll call him apartheid boy faster than anything, but this claim is largely inaccurate and needs to stop being repeated, because the truth is bad enough.
He got rich by scamming Compaq and thanks to Peter Thiel, gay fascist, kicking him out of control at PayPal.
Not only did his own father call Elmo out on his fake "rags to riches" story, by throwing a bag of unrefined emeralds on the table.
Elmo even went as far as to state his father had a stake in an apartheid emerald mine in an interview in Forbes of 2014.
He tried to get the interview removed of course, but it still is on the Wayback Machine.
Excerpt:
Elon sold his first company, which basically just owned a single useful program, to Compaq for $300 million, riding the .com bubble.
Errol Musk's net worth is $2.5 million.
His affluence gave Musk his start but it isn't why he's a billionaire, that's due to dumb boomers paying too much for funny numbers and Peter Thiel realizing he's a moron that can't be trusted to run a company based on public perception of trustworthiness.
Bennett Tomlin investigated the emerald mine claims. It's really interesting: https://youtu.be/4oNoy7Ay-yU?si=Y4-2_nCk73sWHmhW
Not only did Musk's father own part of an emerald mine, but he was given that part of ownership after allowing shady people to use the family plane to transport things without asking any difficult questions.
Ehz he didn't built an automotive platform. Other people did that, he bought it and green it mostly through controversy and by now it's quite clear that Tesla's are quite shit to own and drive.
Teslas are awesome to own and drive. It's an annoying checklist that takes an hour when you first get the car to make sure your car isn't one of the ones with the bad panels, doors that don't close nicely, etc., But you can decline the car if it has any of those things, or they fix it right away. Once you are through that part it's really a great vehicle, especially if you have a charger at home. Gad stations are super inconvenient if you think about it.
Until you get into a fender bender. I've seen a few too many reports of people having to spend thousands for spare parts that should be hundreds top.
...I mean, I love my Tesla, and most people I know with one feel similarly. I'm not a fan of the way the company is run, and association with Elon makes me want to hurl these days, but I have no qualms with the cars themselves.
I don't love your Tesla, because they keep almost running me down because their self-driving bullshit doesn't know what a zebra crossing is.
So I'm not saying FSD is any good, it's incomplete beta software on public roads, but considering not even a fifth of Teslas have FSD, I'd be willing to bet you've just encountered some bad drivers with a nice mix of confirmation bias...
By whose metric? Tesla owners have a 97% approval rating. I know tons of people that drive Teslas and they have zero maintenance other than tires and windshield wiper fluid. Hate on Elon all you want, but to assume the cars are shit because he is shit is just juvenile.
Would love to know where you got the 97% approval rating.
His ass
But why does your finger smell like his statistic?
I'm a plate of chicken and rice mate. I don't have any fingers
I mean I will readily accept that the internet is a fickle place and nothing is ever as black and white as it would seem but there has been a metric fucktonne of examples lately for why Teslas are just straight up bad cars. Cheap materials, poorly wired electronics, broken features, etc.
Like just casually scroll through any car subreddit or other online forum and you'll see people recording their Teslas just breaking down.
My BIL just bought one, gas is around $6/gallon in Hawaii and there is basically no mass transport. He tried to buy another EV but there was a 6-8 month wait-list. He loves the car, it is what it is. QC has improved over the past few years.
Zero maintenance is a bold claim. They have repair people that go to your house to replace parts when they break.
I didn't claim anything about zero maintenance? Lol
The comment above yours did I meant to click on their comment but did yours instead.
But yet they keep selling a shit ton. And if you talk to an average owner they love their Tesla. It's almost as if you are looking at a biased sample that is not representative of the vast majority of owners.
I mean either way you aren't getting the representative opinion. Both of them are just anecdotes.
Well the model Y is the most popular car sold world wide so it's hard to argue that they are "shit".
ikr who would have thought a person who had zero issues with a car would go on a car forum and complain about it? google literally any car and you'll see forums of people complaining about them. does this mean All cars are demonstrably shitty? by your metric it does. which is stupid.
I assume the cars are shit because they spontaneously combust.
gas cars do this an order of magnitude more though.
You got a source? I'm willing to believe the strength of the explosion is greater, but not that gas vehicles spontaneously combust more frequently.
you can believe what you like but you're still incorrect. that's the neat thing about facts.
770 fires per million ICE vehicles (2)
6 fires per million EVs (1)
1 https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Fire-Incidents%2C-Trends%2C-and-Risk-Mitigation-of-Cars-Hassan-Hameed/5f6178987f82360a9fe0c8f8aec24bf729dab0c1
2 https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Data-research-and-tools/Archived-reports-and-data/Vehicle-fire-trends-and-patterns[2
Weird how you used a dead link to try and make your point.
ok bro. stick with your delusions I can't change them with facts clearly.
If the link isn't working spend 3 seconds google the paper instead of implying I'm deceiving you with a dead link.
"Stick with your delusions"
Brother you're comparing, using numbers from the US, a market of around 2.5 million EVs to 250 million ICE.
Of those 2.5 million EVs over 900000 were sold in 2022.
You have braindamage if you think that's a gotcha. I haven't even started filtering down to how many of those are Teslas and the actual percentages therein.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Not only is he correct that ICE fires are an order of magnitude more common PER CAR, but you are also much more likely to die in an ICE fire.
Says the monkey that sees big number and fails to understand old ICE vehicles (you know, the ones likely to blow up) still dwarf Teslas on the road by about 70 times.
But yeah man, maybe if Musk starts selling his cum in jars you can buy some for yourself! Then you wouldn't have to defend his honor online, you could just drink straight from the source!
while it's probably futile arguing with someone who clearly has half a brain cell ill attempt to explain the simple maths to you.
According to a report by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), there were an estimated 212,500 vehicle fires in the United States in 2018, resulting in 560 civilian deaths, 1,500 civilian injuries, and $1.9 billion in direct property damage.
Considering that there were approximately 276 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2018 we can calculate the number of fires per million ICE vehicles: 212500 vehicle fires divided by 276,000,000 registered vehicles × 1, 000,000 and the this = 770 fires per million ICE vehicles.
The study i previously linked you reveals an average EV fire frequency of six fires per million EVs in Australia, aligning with the global average (a million is the same outside of USA if you were unsure).
So try really really hard to understand this basic math. maybe you could get one of your more intelligent family members to explain it to you?
Additionally the skeptics guide to the universe podcast recently discussed this and they quoted very similar numbers to my search, and so maybe you'll believe a neurosurgeon over me (but I expect not given your ludicrous position on this matter)
It's not about gotchas it's about facts. maybe Google what they are too?
276 million registered vehicles, around a third of which were sold through the years of 2008 - 2023 (assuming all of those cars stayed on the field).
Leaving the other two thirds in question, whereas Tesla released its first Roadster in 2008.
Which means that you've got around 184 million cars skewing results. Let's say that half of those were sold in the period from 1990-2008.
Which means those ICE vehicles in question, you know the old fucked up ones, still dwarf Teslas on the road by about 70 times (I'm not getting exact numbers for you).
Meanwhile the oldest Tesla is 15 years old and they're starting to burn more and more.
But keep it up man, I'm sure if you defend Musks honor he'll let you swallow a little bit of his cum. Maybe it'll impart some rich magic onto you, who knows?
Also, anytime when "97%" of people agree on something it's the same as "97% of people voted for Putin, they all love him!" and you know it's pulled out of some ass or another
hilarious you're so heavily downvoted for this. there are some rabid people on here who can only see negatives. I agree Tesla's are great to drive and I know plenty of peple who own them and love them and have had zero issues, and also saved a tonne on fuel, and maintance. trying to dismiss all Teslas as garbage is just utter stupidity and honestly sounds like sour grapes to me.
Elon is a awful human and I wish with all my heart he'd have a sudden TIA. but tesla cars are not Elon musk.
ps your downvotes just serve to make my point 💪 stronger.
Maybe they're being downvoted for the ludicrous claim that a car, even an electric car, has zero maintenance issues other than tires and wiper fluid. It's not like it has zero moving parts.
No, it has about 20.
All of which will likely need maintenance at some point.
How often do you replace the steering column, wheel bearings and electric motor bearings? Basically never.
How about the transaxle assembly? That's rated for 1 million miles.
These cars need very little maintenance compared to an ICE car that needs bi-annual oil changes.
all these butt hurt people who clearly can't afford an EV or invested all their money in stupid ice cars is honestly so funny.
'all we have left is the downvote and darn it we'll use it'
Sued the owners to force them into calling Elon a founder.
Elon didn't even found the company. He just sick'd his lawyers on the founders and bought his way into the "founder" title.
Keep your friends close.
Keep your enemies closer. Where do you think GOP Republicans live? Texas. What vehicles do they drive? Gas/diesel.
Call him everything he is. But he is a fantastic businessman for going to the place of most resistance and turning his worst demographic to his biggest group of followers.
He moved production to Texas for tax reasons. That's it. He's not a fantastic businessman; he just hates paying his fair share.
How many of them are actually buying Teslas?
I don't have access to that data. And I don't won't to be misconstrued as promoting Elon or his activities (not that you're doing that but I see the downvotes).
I'm just explaining what I think he's doing. It's what I'd pitch personally if I noticed red voters trend and visibly meme anti EV and I had obligations to shareholders I had to keep.
People are better off buying EV anyways. ICE vehicles are disgusting. I think people just like to assign large structures like businesses and folks like Elon to their political idealogies. Businesses and governments have to be larger than that because they need to serve people at the end of the day with either product or policy.
But if he's doing what you're claiming he's doing, won't all the people on the left who bought Teslas jump ship when it's time to get a new car? Even if you're right, he's still an idiot.