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I mean, these people (the leaders in the article) threw basically any minority group in the US and all of Ukraine under the bus to make their point. I'm not gonna say anything about all Muslims, but these leaders can definitely get fucked.
Don't worry, they have plenty like the above commenter who are willing to give them plenty of asspats and play apologist about how they opted to kill more of the people they supposedly want to save AND massacre American minorities.
Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with "other guy worse"? You're just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they're actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn't be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.
That's even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.
As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don't hurt less. What's really fucked up is you thinking I'm doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they've been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don't want genocide? No, I'm not asking for a supposedly "better" genocide, I mean NO genocide.
This may be shocking, but things can absolutely get worse, and 'to the hilt' is an English idiom which means 'as much as possible'.
Oh, okay, you're just giving asspats to people who literally voted for Trump, who openly espoused the value of intensifying and backing the genocide by all means possible because you want to criticize the Democrats. Okay. Very believable.
There wasn't a no genocide choice. The idea that picking 'more genocide' as a protest of that is somehow understandable is deluded or vile - or both.
This may be shocking, but biden's support for the genocide is already "to the hilt". Before you try to explain English to me, try to understand the reality of the situation. The leadership of both parties fully and unconditionally support israel. Things will absolutely get worse because the genocide is going to proceed regardless of which party is in charge. Your tired harm reduction argument falls apart when you understand what is actually happening.
Here, have a read: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden
That reflects a severe paucity of understanding of the US's capabilities in this situation.
I'm well aware of the US's capabilities, but apparently biden isn't because he bent over for a fascist in a foreign country to supply their campaign of genocide with billions of dollars in weapons. I dunno, maybe biden enjoys being bibi's little bitch, but he certainly didn't do anything to impede the genocide.
I would like you to use your capabilities and read the article I posted. Here it is again in case you missed it: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden
Please read that and tell me how the democratic party would have been different over the next four years.
How does that in any way contradict what I said?
You don't understand how it can get worse because you think the current level of support is the most the US can do to support the genocide. In the next four years, though likely it will gruesomely end sooner, you'll see hard evidence of just how much more support the US can lend to this atrocity, since apparently abstract thinking is not your strong point.
It's funny that you accuse me of being bad at abstract thinking when you couldn't understand the simple point I was making that just like the US has the capabilities to make things worse, they also have the capabilities to make things better, which biden has not used at all. He has pledged billions of dollars in weapons and permitted any actions that israel takes. Apparently the idea of things actually getting better just does not compute in your mind. This nicely sums up everything wrong with the democratic party and why they're not actually opposition but rather a tag team partner with republicans. The genocide of the Palestinian people will proceed regardless of which party is in power.
You're so busy hammering the point that you'd rather eat shit with a kernel of corn in it because at least there is corn in there, but you're still eating shit.
Okay? That's not at all relevant to the fact that things can get much worse, something you denied, and what we're arguing about.
Don't know why I expected any sort of consistency from you, though. Anything to peddle your fascist-enabling genocide-supporting "BOTHSIDES" shite, self-contradiction be damned.
You're making a pointless argument. Things can always get worse. Name anything that could be done and I'll tell you how it could be made worse. All you're doing is distracting from the fact that both democrats and republicans are supporting a genocide and it's not going to stop until Palestine does not exist anymore. The end result is the fucking same and you're here arguing over pointless technicalities as if they mean anything. Get a clue.
Ah, that explains it, you think that speeding up the genocide of Palestinians is a 'pointless technicality'. How... charming.
How do you measure this "speed up"? What you consider a speed up could've simply been the progression of the campaign which would've occurred under democrats as well. Either way the end result is the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people. Do you think starving them all to death is better than bombing them all to death just because it's slower?
Not unlike the past 20 years of genocide, but hey, who cares about the speed up in the past year? Same end result, right? /s
You mean the speed up in the past year that happened under the democrats? Thanks for proving my point.
They weren't thrown under the bus, they were already lined up in front of the bus by democrats who then pointed at the republican bus driver and screamed that they would be driven over if they didn't vote democrat.
No there's plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats' hands aren't clean here. But neither is anyone who voted for trump or encouraged others to vote for trump.
Have you ever heard of an analogy before? Because that's like...the Stretch-Armstrong of analogies.
There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is "because the republicans are worse".
Is that because Republicans are worse?
Listen, we aren't going to make Democrats better by letting Republicans win, that just lowers the bar for the even further
If you want real change it's going to take drastic action with significant personal risk from a lot of people.
Always responding with "republicans are worse" does nothing except to shut down conversation of the complicity of democrats in all of this. It's like pointing at a homeless person in the US and saying "well it could be worse, they could be homeless in a war-torn country". It locks down the conversation to the two choice fallacy and blocks any conversation on avenues for that real change you are referencing. These voters are misguided, but it's telling that democrats are so shit that these people thought a trump administration could offer anything different.
"two choices fallacy"? Buckaroo, you realize America only has two parties. And that won't change until the voting system changes.
That was my point, the illusion of choice. While people are fiercely arguing over voting for one of the two parties, both parties are moving to the right. Now we're at the point where both agree to supporting genocide. We've lost the plot here.