I never got the big deal with Skyrim. I'm not saying it's bad, but I don't get why people went all crazy for it. Bethesda over streamlined the Elder Scrolls series with Skyrim for the mainstream audience. By removing and/or simplifying game systems.

EDIT You can be the leader of all the guilds with a single character. Just why?

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago

By removing and simplifying systems they made the game more easier for random people who've never played a game or haven't played since the NES. My english teacher that year was hijacking her son's playstation just to play skyrim.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Even Oblivion felt too streamlined. Morrowind was too good.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I got super prepared for Oblivion to be as complex and difficult as Morrowind and was severely disappointed by it even at launch. Skyrim was slightly better than Oblivion in terms of mechanical complexity (dual wielding, how magic works, the forts, etc), but also even more streamlined in others (like how skills and leveling work).

I've played the absolute shit out of all 3 (as well as FO3, NV and 4) though. There is just some inexplicable draw to them. And it's that very thing that Starfield lacks that had me rush the MQ and just stop playing once it was over.

[–] Arkthos@pawb.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Deep or not, I hated the levelling system of Oblivion with a passion. Needing to micromanage which skills I increase for each level so I can get a good attribute increase was such a micromanagement pain, especially when everything kept scaling up your level. Often I felt like I was getting weaker, not stronger, when I leveled.

I'd much prefer they replace the system with something different (like how it works in fallout 3) than what they did in Skyrim where they just carved out all the annoying bits and left barely anything behind though.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

Oblivion's leveling didn't change from Morrowind, it also had that flaw that could really fuck you up if you didn't optimize getting extra points in the minor skills before the major skills.

I enjoy that Skyrim made leveling up simply a matter of gaining X points across skills, but how they ditched the attributes and went for +10 on one of Health, Stamina or Magicka made it feel kinda dumb.

[–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Most Bethesda RPGs are going for bredth instead of depth. They give you a giant world to explore and usually throw you into that world with complete freedom relatively quickly.

I generally agree that Skyrim (and Oblivion to be honest) aren't particularly strong games when you look at pretty much any individual system, and the games don't interest me much, but I totally get the appeal.

[–] Rider@eviltoast.org 6 points 6 days ago

The vanilla Skyrim is good not great, but solid. It’s the mods that make this game truly exceptional. With mods, you can shape Skyrim into whatever you want, and that’s why, I think, so many people love it.

[–] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

I liked and hated Skyrim. Most of the dungeons seems to be copy pasted, and the world feels empty… but the game is good.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I never got the big deal with Skyrim

I'm guessing you never played it on PC.

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But I did. Also the classic "The modders will save the game.". Man, I'm getting tired of that.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I always thought that was a joke about modders adding in big bouncy titties and the game not having much else going for it...

also schlongs of skyrim mod sounds super important for living those exhibitionist fantasies

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Agreed. Modding doesn't "fix" Skyrim either. It adds surface-level content and tweaks but the fundamental bones of the game are still there and they are heavily flawed. One of the few exceptions I can think of are things like Skywind but that's only because it removes Skyrim's story entirely, overhauls many of its mechanics, and uses the world/lore/story of one of Bethesda's better games.

And in the case of Starfield - it's entirely beyond salvaging with mods. Mods will not be able to fix the biggest problems with that game because they are literally the very way the game was made. To fix them would require basically remaking the entire game from scratch.