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Websites, radio stations, podcasts, and so forth ought to be stood up by party members with access to money—the Harris campaign and associated groups, by the way, spent about $5 billion losing this election—particularly if they can replace genuine local news that has been gutted by private equity and Facebook, or if they are centered on subjects typically neglected by liberals like sports or gaming. The core strategy is to set up publications with progressive views but likely to have broader appeal. Honest partisanship should be the standard, rather than a pretend above-it-all “objective journalism” that in practice means bending reality completely beyond recognition to benefit Donald Trump.

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

This is a major issue.

X is Elon Musk.

Facebook/Meta/Instagram is Zuckerberg.

Washington Post is Bezos.

LA Times is Patrick Soon-Shiong, a billionaire who is deeply tied into the tech world's startup culture.

Reddit is ... Reddit.


When we are talking about the missing 10-million votes for Kamala, it starts with media. The media wasn't on our side this time around, and it showed. It was impossible to get Kamala's messaging out, and Trump's messaging always got screentime. It wasn't an accident.

To rebuild means getting solid news sources, solid online / social networks. It was no accident that the Elon Musk loving Cryptobro billionaires in charge of tech-companies, social media, and (now) are so rich that they've bought our old News Institutions.

This is where we start rebuilding. Lemmy.world is a small piece of it but it needs to be bigger. We absolutely need an independent location to organize online and counter-program the public.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 38 minutes ago

This is why I get my news from Lemmy 😎 also follow Majority Report with Sam Seder

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Local news in the US is all owned by Sinclair.

The propaganda machine started running 12 years ago, and nobody stopped it. Nothing to stop it for another 4 years either.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It started a lot longer ago than that, with the likes of Fox "News" and Rush Limbaugh. It's been getting worse the whole time.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Those are national and syndicated.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, places like Instagram, X, and Facebook are where all the late-deciders get their political messages from. My wife completely non-political because she didn't grow up in a democracy and she is constantly surprised and in disbelief when i mention what Trump is up to. She's used to periodic meme's about Biden causing inflation and her general takeaway is "Trump is good for economy" even though she knows he is a horrible person who cannot be taken for his word on anything... almost purely thanks to me. Sometimes she thinks I'm the one that has gone extreme and am just talking crazy until I bring the receipts.

At work, she speaks to a lot of customers who are mostly the same. If they get mobilized to vote...they are doing so off similar information avenues.

So i think we should be careful about building ALL our information around sources that are essentially preaching to the choir, and make sure to still actively post to other media even if its not the main/trusted source so it's not just a firehose of unchecked Republican talking points.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Elon Musk will never let leftist memes rise in popularity in X/Twitter ever again.

And I'm convinced that Gaza/Free Palestine was a TikTok disinformation campaign designed to tear Democrats/leftists apart.

We cannot trust any media. Indeed, we must assume they are working against us.


Building new, mainstream media, that allows our viewpoints to be heard is step#1. Do not rely on Twitter, TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Threads, BlueSky, WashPo, local newspapers, local Sinclair news, LA Times.

We got like, TheAtlantic, The guardian and maybe PBS Frontline. Not exactly a powerful set of media to spread out viewpoints but it's a start.

Lemmy.world and Mastodon seem like they are okay. But as noncorporate entities they will never be mainstream.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Free Palestine was not a disinformation campaign. The Harris campaign decided not to run with that message despite all the evidence that it would significantly increase voter turnout. Nor was it the only mistake of the campaign. It's only a small part of the reason for why Democrats lost millions in voter turnout. Economic issues was the main impact by far. They did not run on progressive policies that are popular and address the material conditions that affect everyday Americans.

Polls on campaign messaging

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How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

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Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies

Tim Walz's Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's easy to feel like X is just a fascist wasteland, but guys Medhi Hasan still frequently reach millions of people. Even if we're yelling into the firehose of BS the reach is still orders of magnitude higher than platforms like this. I still prefer here much greater, but we aren't the ones that need to hear this stuff.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

We will not win the meme war when Elon Musk can silence our memes and outreach on Twitter through algorithmic manipulation.

It's just like how Ukrainians keep getting censored on Twitter. It's simply not a fair fight, the owner and algorithms are literally against you, and you likely have teams of internal Twitter programmers being commanded to tailor make algorithms to fight us.

We need social media we can trust. Lemmy is one of them but is too small. But we are somewhat safe here.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The goal is not to win, but to simply make it clear that counter-arguments and opposition do exist so people are not as quick to take those posts as established fact and make up their minds based on poor information.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

And you think you can do that when your opponent literally controls the outreach of your messages?

There is a +Elon Musk boost to Elons messages on Twitter. Furthermore, all the pro-Ukrainian posts systematically become NSFW and hidden from the timeline. Even when it is totally safe to view (like cute cat videos being shared by Ukrainian soldiers).

How the fuck do you get your message out on Twitter when Twitter specifically is being used to suppress your message?

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Do what? Reach more people than we would if we stick purely to our little safe spaces?

Yes. It's trivially provable:

10M views:

https://x.com/tayrilivia/status/1854207409717428564

16M views:

https://x.com/RoseSensu/status/1854215333243949203

94M views:

https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1854284022731669530

Etc. Etc.

Those 2 posts have probably gotten more views than everything you and I have ever posted online combined.

Again, it's not about being louder than Elon Musk and whatever bullshit shenanigans, it's just about not 100% conceding the information spaces like because they aren't fair. Nothing is going to be fair for the next 4 years, but that doesn't mean we give up.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

NPR Morning Edition is my jam. Tells the truth, still leaves me with enough hope to go on. And PBS News in the evening.

Of course they'll probably lose funding because the Wrong Wing sees them as a threat... Fortunately they mostly operate on individual donations, so I'll keep sending my little bit in monthly.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

You're telling me that the billionaire owned media didn't want people to know she had a plan to tax billionaires?

[–] VintageTech@sh.itjust.works 0 points 22 hours ago

meh.... I think we need to start firebombing their residences. Then when we're all in Prison we start crazy orgies so the churches will want to shut them down because they're spawning grounds for demons. Once we're out, start firebombing again.

It's so nuts it just might work.