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I apologize for the many questions.

I'm still baffled by all the mess surrounding the US elections. Before blaming the people, I'm wondering how it is even possible that Trump could be eligible in the first place. How could the administration allow him to be represented after all the felonies, including those where he clearly sold his country by sharing top secret information with Putin? It seems there is evidence that he has been a puppet for decades. I mean, isn’t that the definition of a traitor? What were the secret services doing? Wasn’t the FBI created to combat the very thing Trump is? Where is all the anti-communist sentiment that the US has become accustomed to?

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The theory was that any other social disqualifications would be handled at the ballot box.

That theory is now proven to be incorrect, but fixing it takes a constitutional amendment.

That could be a slippery slope too. Imagine a constitutional amendment making someone ineligible because of a "social disqualification" such as sexual orientation.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think Americans need to realise that Trump won by popular vote- anything to prevent this legally would be undemocratic. You'll need to change social attitudes or maybe put up a better candidate/run a better campaign in opposition.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think Americans need to realise that Trump won by popular vote

That means that most USians are appalling people.

As a Latin-American suffering for decades the consequences of US foreign policies, I'm not surprised.

[–] sOlitude24k@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Gonna have to second this. We decided that, despite everything, none of it was a dealbreaker.

It's definitely tough to accept that 72 million Americans made that choice, and even more than that didn't even give enough of a shit to turn up to vote.

It's disappointing and embarrassing.

[–] AlbertSpangler@lemmings.world 8 points 6 days ago

Cunts watched him insult the parents of slain soldiers, mock someone's disability and everything else, and still voted for him multiple times.

Fuck your country.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I mean making someone ineligible to be president for as long as he is under investigation for insurrection, treason or other crimes against the United States sounds pretty straightforward.

He could always wait and get back into it the next cycle if the investigation gets dropped or if he's proven innocent.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It sounds straightforward until it's used as a weapon by the sitting administration to prevent competition at the ballot box.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You know, because every president commits a little light treason here and there! Same as speeding in a car. It's not that big of deal /s

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Dude, this isn't really a hypothetical. We've already seen this exact tactic get used in places like Russia. You just bring bullshit charges against whoever opposes you. The veracity of the charges is completely irrelevant.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This idea rejects the idea that we can put any faith in our courts, even if we add extra measures to make them more trustworthy. If this is true, why bother even faking any of this shit? Let's just all begin thinking of ourselves as slaves and our leaders as untouchable gods.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I swear after this election, people have become so.. senseless on here. Wildly different just a few weeks ago when we were sticking up and actively promoting Harris and her policies.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What are you saying is the case now? That no one is owning up to supporting Harris or what?

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just observing the major differences in attitude here. I'm agreeing with you, and wondering why the vitriol all being placed on Harris and her campaign, instead of on the voters who actively wanted and then voted for a felon.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I see. Yeah, I am pissed at both, but ultimately voters not giving one single shit pisses me off a lot more than democrats being their typical out of touch selves.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

I'd be honest, this makes political suppression easier. Just say this is the case, then next year, oops, all of the top dem candidates are being investigated. If people are dumb enough to want a traitor in office, then they should be able to carry out that stupidity democratically.

[–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 days ago

I don't disagree, but winning popular vote doesn't always matter

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In what way would barring felons lead to barring gays? People use the words “slippery slope” to make their point, even though it’s literally the name of a logical fallacy. You have to show HOW one will lead to the next, not just say “a little might lead more!” That, exactly, is the fallacy. Textbook.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Calm down and read again. The person said social disqualification as opposed to judicial conviction, and I'm saying social disqualification being a vague notion could lead to easier abuse by the political power to shut down opposition.

As if a queer president could get elected these days

In the end worrying about this hypothetical is what made the situation actually life-threatening to queer people