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[–] protist@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think you're going to find a large number of people who think these are common sense laws rather than "nonsense." Regarding assault rifles, a number of the states that have "banned" them will even still allow you to have one with a license.

Assault rifles and large capacity magazines constitute a very small minority of guns and gun equipment in the US, and equating these two issues with "not supporting gun rights" is again giving in to Republican propaganda. In reality, there are millions of people who support gun rights and who also support limitations on weapons that can be used to kill large numbers of people at once

[–] N0_Varak@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Assault rifles also constitute a miniscule percentage of gun crime, and yey they're still the specter that legislators go for. To me that just says the people wanting to legislate away our rights aren't informed enough to make these decisions. Thus they spout nonsense

[–] protist@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The issue banning or limiting assault rifle ownership is trying to address is mass murders. Banning assault rifles certainly isn't "legislating away your rights," though, because there are still a shit ton of guns you'd still be able to own. By your logic, your rights are being infringed already by not being allowed to own a machine gun, or a grenade launcher, or even a tank on up. In reality, there are no rights that are completely unlimited. For example, see the limitations on every other right outlined in the Bill of Rights. As a society, we determine where that line is drawn to support our social contract. A majority of people wanting to draw the line slightly further in one direction than you prefer isn't "legislating away your rights."

[–] N0_Varak@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Again, the vast majority or mass murders are committed with handguns. Those stats that say we've had more shootings than days bin the year always include handgun murders.Banningg assault rifles won't noticeably decrease the number of mass shootings.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're lumping shootings where 2 or more people are killed like gang shootings and family violence in with large-scale indiscriminate shootings of strangers.

Semi-automatic rifles were featured in four of the five deadliest mass shootings, being used in the Las Vegas Strip massacre with 58 killed and 546 wounded, the Orlando nightclub massacre, Sandy Hook Elementary massacre, and Texas First Baptist Church massacre.

[–] N0_Varak@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

I know, that's why I said stats from places like GVA or Everytown tend to include those shootings in their numbers.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't want to do anything about that either, so you don't get to argue both points. The sad truth is, we've given up the idea that kids should grow up without needing to have active shooter training in schools. Now we just want to give them a chance while the shooter has to reload.

[–] N0_Varak@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right, I don't support gun control. As a populace, we have a right to our arms, and any attempt to remove them must be opposed.