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[–] Woland@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What's crazy, from a European point of view, is that they act as if Democrats are a bunch of leftists who would redistribute their hard-earned money, when they would be considered economically right-wing here in Europe. The disconnect is insane "I've got mine, so I'm just going to ignore all the GOP reactionary bullshit, 'cause, you know, capitalism and small government and America fuck yeah."

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In America the Democratic party is made up of several sub groups. There are 'Progressive' Democrats, like Bernie Sanders, and 'Conservative' Democrats, like Joe Manchin. Largely the Democrats in America fall under what most people would consider to be Neoliberals.

Due to America's voting system third parties are often better off running under the banner of one of the two large parties, siding with the one they closest align with.

People tend to strawman the entire party based on their most radical sects.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

People tend to strawman the entire party based on their most radical sects.

The extremisim that a political party is unwilling to stop says a lot about the party's principles, I'd think.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

which is why the Overton window always drifts deosil. Neolinerals are right leaning enough for them to lose their balance and take a step right every few years.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd argue it's actually shifting left, and bumping neoliberal views left, and this has been happening since Clinton

Arguably since Bush 1 since had more of a social focus than Reagan.

The "bumping" is what you would describe is "taking a step right." The more rightward neoliberal views aren't a new right direction, but a refinement of classical ones (either through adaptation or loss of that part of the neoliberal base to R). E.g. libertarians should align with neolibs, but generally align R, largely due to social policy, they were lost via leftward shift.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Implying I like all of these changes is a bit of a reach. Social issues sure, but Biden is too protectionist for my tastes. Free Trade and open borders please

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Free Trade and open borders please

There's no such thing as 100% Free Trade and Borders and there never will be. Trade restrictions are favorable to going to war, and a true open border is an excuse for every country to unload all their criminals.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sanctions are not generally considered when discussing free trade.

I'm all about them sending their criminals. We'll make em prosperous Americans instead. An accident of birth should not define where you live.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Anyone with half a brain sees it that way, which obviously excludes a large swath of Americans 😅.

[–] Naura@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

i was a right libertarian at one time.

The more research i did, right libertarianism just didn’t sit well with me. I couldn’t reconcile their politics because i have empathy. I wish i was lying. These are selfish fucks who twisted the word to fit their needs.