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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What you are describing is the Overton window in the United States. The Democrats are not left of center on the political spectrum. They are controlled by neoliberals and are center right. The Republicans are controlled by fascists and are far right. Political theory is more expansive than just left and right. And there is a lot more to the left of the Democratic Party.

I'm curious what centrists actually mean when they say they are centrists. Do they mean between neoliberalism and fascism as would be the case in the US? Or do they mean moderate on the political spectrum, between center left and center right, so actually to the left of the Democrats.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not quite the "Overton Window", specifically because the whole left-right scale is nonsense to begin with. Maybe if you reformulated the idea as a set of acceptable ideologies.

Anyone who goes around calling themselves a "centrist" is probably an idiot. It's basically like "I haven't even thought the 20% enough about politics to pick a side like everyone else feels compelled to, so so I'm just going to say 'eh maybe it's either'".

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe if you reformulated the idea as a set of acceptable ideologies.

https://www.mackinac.org/OvertonWindow

The Overton Window is a model for understanding how ideas in society change over time and influence politics. The core concept is that politicians are limited in what policy ideas they can support — they generally only pursue policies that are widely accepted throughout society as legitimate policy options. These policies lie inside the Overton Window. Other policy ideas exist, but politicians risk losing popular support if they champion these ideas. These policies lie outside the Overton Window.

Acceptable ideologies is what the Overton window is all about.

In the US specifically the Overton window has been shifted to the right since the Regan administration in the 80's. So for over 40 years now.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Huh you're right. I've just seen it cited a billion times before in terms of left/right, like, "the Overton Window shifted to the right". Like you just said. People cite it in terms of "only candidates this far left to this far right are acceptable", you know.

Anyway, point being that it describes an area in a highly multidimensional space, not a slice of a univariate left/right spectrum.