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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 61 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

They aren't protecting you. They are protecting themselves from what you may give their enemies. Don't think just because the federal government is doing something "for the people" that nominally it's not about the government itself. National security is literally the government protecting itself by protecting its citizens.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Facebook sold personal data to a foreign organization called Cambridge Analytica who used it to influence our elections. If their motivations are to protect us via protecting themselves, why is Facebook not banned, and not even in the discussion of being banned?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For one thing, today isn't 2015

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Did occurring in 2015 happen to make it less bad somehow? We sure as hell weren't passing laws to ban facebook back then either, so I'm not sure what point you think you've made.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Hindsight and foresight are identical I always say

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

We didn't have the same stance on data privacy back then as we do today. GDPR wouldn't be a thing for another year, not implemented for two more after that (2018). Legislators largely didn't understand the risks associated with unrestricted exchanges of seemingly benign user data at the time. Yay for hindsight being 20/20.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

And we should ban them too. I love this argument. We need better user data privacy laws, and this whataboutism does not change the fact that China is a hostile foreign nation.

I can appreciate that people view Google and Meta and so on as very similar in their transgressions. But as was pointed out in the original comment, this is a cost to benefit ratio type of analysis for the federal government and they gain more by keeping Meta and Google going and can enact other measures to prevent that from hurting them (usually reactionary), so to them this is fine. It is and always has been about what the US government can to do protect itself and enrich itself. Enrichment doesn't always come in the form of monetary value.

If you're upset at your own government (or government adjacent tech entities) gathering this type of data from users, you should be for banning them too, not keeping tik tok.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Wrong. They let Cambridge collect it on their platform. Huge difference.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago

Their justification for banning Tiktok is that it allows the Chinese government to collect on their platform. It's the same fucking thing.

[–] Sakychu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty much this! Also it is much easier and cheaper to tell Google to stop offering tiktok in their app store then it is to build affordable housing where it is needed..

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Yea but where? There’s a push for it in my state. Drove past a new area that will be a neighborhood of cookie cutter SFH, probably with driveways too short to contain full size vehicles. And they’ll cost more than half a million so I’m not sure how that’s affordable. Anyway. It’s being built on the flood plain. 8/10 flood factor.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We really need more high density housing closer to urban centers, but Americans seem to be allergic to it. Everyone wants their single family house. Also too, without subsidies they're is no profit incentive for developers to build the necessary housing stock, they all shoot for "luxury" housing because it's the most profitable.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

If only we made a school for teaching people how to do the things need. It could be run by the government and run as a nonprofit.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I've always wanted like... A townhome. But the problem is anything like that (even away from city/population centers but still near enough to commute is astronomically expensive.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 0 points 5 hours ago

Ah yes, the obvious solution: more suburban blight.