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[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 44 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I don't get the ai hate sentiment. In fact I want ai to be so good that it steals all our jobs. Every single "worker" on the planet. The only job I don't think they can steal is that of middle management because I don't think we have digitized data on how to suck your own dick. After everybody is jobless, then we would be free. We won't need the rich. They can be made into a fine broth.

Sarcasm aside, I really believe we should automate all menial jobs, crunch more data and make this world a better place, not steal creative content made by humans and make second rate copies.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

I don't know if you've been paying attention to everything that's happened since the industrial revolution but that's not how it's going to work

[–] frezik@midwest.social 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem with AI isn't the tech itself. It's what capitalism is doing with it. Alongside what you say, using AI to achieve fully automated luxury gay space communism would be wonderful.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe problem is, you know, capitalism?

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would love AI. Still waiting for it. Probably 50 years away (if human society lasts that long).

What I hate is the term being yet another scientific term to get stolen and watered down by brainless capitalists so they can scam money out of other brainless capitalists.

[–] Randomguy@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What I hate is the term being yet another scientific term ~~to get stolen and watered down~~ created by ~~brainless capitalists~~ researchers and scientists so they can ~~scam money out of~~ describe ideas to other ~~brainless capitalists~~ researchers and scientists.

The term AI as we use it today has been in use in the field of computer science for more than 50 years

The term that you describe as AI is what researchers in the field have called AGI for more than a decade.

The only place where AI is used to mean a artificial intelligence on the same level of humans is in fucking science fiction.

Is it hard to comprehend that when people say AI on the topic of something made by computer scientists they refer to the thing computer scientists call AI?

Do you go on gaming conversations and say: "Um... Akshually... it's not AI... it's just a behaviour heuristics 🤓"

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Brainless capitalists" weren't invented in 2019.

[–] Randomguy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yes, Alan Turing, such a famous capitalist.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I suppose you did say more than fifty years, which technically includes someone that died in 1954, but he also defined it in a way that even current models don't meet, so here we are, back at brainless capitalists.

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The problem is that it will be the rich that are the owners of the AI that stole your job so suddenly we peasants are no longer needed. We won't be free, we will be broth.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Then you have a choice.

Option 1. Halt scientific and technological progress and be robbed anyway because if capitalists do not get more money out of tech they are getting it out of making you work more hours for less money.

Option 2. End capitalism.

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago

I vote option 2

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Option 3. Get a job as part of the 5% of the population still employed in serving the various security apparatuses protecting the rich fucks -- you could be a soldier, cop, or government official.

Better to be part of the boot than be the poor fuckers getting stepped on, right? You can sleep easily knowing you have it slightly better than the other 95% of the underclass.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well you see 100 people won't be able to make soup of trillions. But you know what we a trillion people can do? Run the guillotine for a 100 times

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Well you see 100 people won’t be able to make soup of trillions.

You should check out the climate catastrophe sometime.

[–] NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Sure, Eli Whitney.

How about the machines automate the complicated jobs to make as many menial jobs for me as possible? Computers these days are all lazy. They could optimize scheduling so the neighbors and I all get time together and time apart for a hundred hours of kicking dirt down at the office each year, instead they hang around doing vapes and abstract paintings of hands.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 10 points 2 days ago

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they will automate all menial jobs, fire %90 of the workers and ask remaining %10 to oversee the AI automated tasks while also doing all other tasks which can not be automated. all so that shareholders can add some more billions on top of their existing stack of billions.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

For me, it's because AI is referring to a LLM, which is not AI. Also, these LLMs use a crap load of energy to do things that we can currently do ourselves for much less energy.

But actual AI? Yes, please!

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I don't get the ai hate sentiment.

I don't get what's not to get. AI is a heap of bullshit that's piled on top of a decade of cryptobros.

it's not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it's been publicly available.

shit is going to crash and burn like web3.

I've seen people put full on contracts that are behind NDAs through a public content trained AI.

I've seen developers use cuck-pilot for a year and "never" code again... until the PR is sent back over and over and over again and they have to rewrite it.

I've seen the AI news about new chemicals, new science, new _fill-in-the-blank and it all be PR bullshit.

so yeah, I don't believe AI is our savior. can it make some convincing porn? sure. can it do my taxes? probably not.

[–] Vigge93@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (13 children)

You are ignoring ALL of the of the positive applications of AI from several decades of development, and only focusing on the negative aspects of generative AI.

Here is a non-exhaustive list of some applications:

  • In healthcare as a tool for earlier detection and prevention of certain diseases
  • For anomaly detection in intrusion detection system, protecting web servers
  • Disaster relief for identifying the affected areas and aiding in planning the rescue effort
  • Fall detection in e.g. phones and smartwatches that can alert medical services, especially useful for the elderly.
  • Various forecasting applications that can help plan e.g. production to reduce waste. Etc...

There have even been a lot of good applications of generative AI, e.g. in production, especially for construction, where a generative AI can the functionally same product but with less material, while still maintaining the strength. This reduces cost of manufacturing, and also the environmental impact due to the reduced material usage.

Does AI have its problems? Sure. Is generative AI being misused and abused? Definitely. But just because some applications are useless it doesn't mean that the whole field is.

A hammer can be used to murder someone, that does not mean that all hammers are murder weapons.

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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

When I hear "AI", I think of that thing that proofreads my emails and writes boilerplate code. Just a useful tool among a long list of others. Why would I spend emotional effort hating it? I think people who "hate" AI are just as annoying as the people pushing it as the solution to all our problems.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't think anybody hates spell checkers if that's what you consider "AI".

It's more about the grifters pushing this phony "intelligence" as the savior/destroyer of humanity.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

it’s not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it’s been publicly available.

It literally just won people two Nobel prizes

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If I just hand wave all the good things and call them bullshit, AI is nothing more than bad things!

  • Lemmy
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Current "AI's" (LLMs) are only useful for art and non-fact based text. The two things people particularly do not need computers to do for them.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Llms fucking suck. But that's the worst kind of ai. It's just an autocorrect on steroids. But you know what a good ai is? The one that give an amino acid sequence predicts it's 3d structure. It's mind boggling. We can design personal protein robots with that kind of knowledge.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree, but the reason for all the AI hate is companies pushing LLMs, calling them AIs, and treating them like some miracle that is worth all the energy they consume. If we try to differentiate between LLMs and AI then the AI hate will go away.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly. Llms are a mockery of this tech. They have become so powerful because of the amount of compute we have invested in it. Think if Alpha fold got that much gpu time and de's working how amazing it would be. Heck we need to understand the human genome whose only 1-2% is understood. Apply AI to that instead of an AI that spouts out cheap Shakespeare knockoffs and shitty code.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I complete agree, but the original question was why people hate on AIs so much, and the reason is LLMs

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I just hand wave all the bad things and call them amazing, AI is everything but the bad things!

  • ~~cryptobros~~ AI evangelists
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What do you think AI has to do with crypto, other than that they are both technologies which have entered the mainstream recently and been pushed hard? Like, what do they actually have in common?

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People think they're bad /s ;)

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I think there are some fair reasons, and some... Just ignorant parroted opinions lol

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the crypto scam ended when the AI scam started. AI conveniently uses the same/similar hardware that crypto used before the bubble burst.

that not enough? take a look at this google trends that shows when interest in crypto died AI took off.

Screenshot_20241017-100142_Firefox

so yeah, there's a lot more that connects the two than what you'd like people to believe.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hold the phone, I found two things that are even more closely related

The fact that they both use the GPU is mildly interesting, but means nothing beyond conspiracy theories. These events were set in motion decades ago, it's not like AI was invented because Crypto died.

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Yes, I am aware of the irony of the website I got that chart from now using GenAI everywhere. That doesn't make my point less true though.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

If AI image generation is so bad why we have so many etsy and patreon artists complaining about it?

If no one would use it because it is so bad why would anyone care that it is trained on their products?

Do you know this joke about MAGA and the Schrodinger's immigrant? They somehow believe that immigrants are both stealing people jobs and lazy and living on wellfare.

AntiAI bros are somehow similar. AI is at the same time stealing artists jobs and completely useless incapable of producing nothing that people would want.