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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Today I learned about AI agents in the news and I just can think: Jesus. The example shown was of an AI agent using voice synthesis to bargain against a human agent about the fee for a night in some random hotel. In the news, the commenter talked about how the people could use this agents to get rid of annoying, reiterative, unwanted phone calls. Then I remembered about that night my in-laws were tricked to give their car away to robbers because they ~~thought~~ were told my sister in law was kidnapped, all through a phone call.

Yeah, AI agents will free us all from invasive megacorporations. /s

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why isn't anyone saying that AI and machine learning are (currently) the same thing? There's no such thing as "Artificial Intelligence" (yet)

[–] KingRandomGuy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I work in an ML-adjacent field (CV) and I thought I'd add that AI and ML aren't quite the same thing. You can have non-learning based methods that fall under the field of AI - for instance, tree search methods can be pretty effective algorithms to define an agent for relatively simple games like checkers, and they don't require any learning whatsoever.

Normally, we say Deep Learning (the subfield of ML that relates to deep neural networks, including LLMs) is a subset of Machine Learning, which in turn is a subset of AI.

Like others have mentioned, AI is just a poorly defined term unfortunately, largely because intelligence isn't a well defined term either. In my undergrad we defined an AI system as a programmed system that has the capacity to do tasks that are considered to require intelligence. Obviously, this definition gets flaky since not everyone agrees on what tasks would be considered to require intelligence. This also has the problem where when the field solves a problem, people (including those in the field) tend to think "well, if we could solve it, surely it couldn't have really required intelligence" and then move the goal posts. We've seen that already with games like Chess and Go, as well as CV tasks like image recognition and object detection at super-human accuracy.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Its more like intelligience is very poorly defined so a less controversial statement is that Artificial General Intelligience doesn't exist.

Also Generative AI such as LLMs are very very far from it, and machine learning in general haven't yielded much result in the persuit of sophonce and sapience.

Although they technically can pass a turing test as long as the turing test has a very short time limit and turing testers are chosen at random.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

that heavily depends on how you define "intelligence". if you insist on "think, reason and behave like a human", then no, we don't have "Artificial Intelligence" yet (although there are plenty of people that would argue that we do). on the other hand if you consider the ability to play chess or go intelligence, the answer is different.

[–] minyakcurry@monyet.cc 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly I would consider BFS/DFS artificial intelligence (and I think most introductory AI courses agree). But yea it's a definition game and I don't think most people qualify intelligence as purely human-centric. Simple tasks like pattern recognition already count as a facet of intelligence.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I forget the exact quote or who said it, but the gist is that a species cannot be considered sapient (intelligent) on an interplanetary/interstellar stage until they have discovered Calculus. I prefer to use that as my bar for the sapience of those around me as well.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Weeeell, sheeiiiiit

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It very much depends on what you consider AI, or even what you consider intelligence. I personally consider LLMs AI because it's artificial.

[–] IsoSpandy@lemm.ee 44 points 2 days ago (50 children)

I don't get the ai hate sentiment. In fact I want ai to be so good that it steals all our jobs. Every single "worker" on the planet. The only job I don't think they can steal is that of middle management because I don't think we have digitized data on how to suck your own dick. After everybody is jobless, then we would be free. We won't need the rich. They can be made into a fine broth.

Sarcasm aside, I really believe we should automate all menial jobs, crunch more data and make this world a better place, not steal creative content made by humans and make second rate copies.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

I don't know if you've been paying attention to everything that's happened since the industrial revolution but that's not how it's going to work

[–] frezik@midwest.social 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem with AI isn't the tech itself. It's what capitalism is doing with it. Alongside what you say, using AI to achieve fully automated luxury gay space communism would be wonderful.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe problem is, you know, capitalism?

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago
[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I would love AI. Still waiting for it. Probably 50 years away (if human society lasts that long).

What I hate is the term being yet another scientific term to get stolen and watered down by brainless capitalists so they can scam money out of other brainless capitalists.

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[–] NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Sure, Eli Whitney.

How about the machines automate the complicated jobs to make as many menial jobs for me as possible? Computers these days are all lazy. They could optimize scheduling so the neighbors and I all get time together and time apart for a hundred hours of kicking dirt down at the office each year, instead they hang around doing vapes and abstract paintings of hands.

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The problem is that it will be the rich that are the owners of the AI that stole your job so suddenly we peasants are no longer needed. We won't be free, we will be broth.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Then you have a choice.

Option 1. Halt scientific and technological progress and be robbed anyway because if capitalists do not get more money out of tech they are getting it out of making you work more hours for less money.

Option 2. End capitalism.

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago

I vote option 2

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[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they will automate all menial jobs, fire %90 of the workers and ask remaining %10 to oversee the AI automated tasks while also doing all other tasks which can not be automated. all so that shareholders can add some more billions on top of their existing stack of billions.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

For me, it's because AI is referring to a LLM, which is not AI. Also, these LLMs use a crap load of energy to do things that we can currently do ourselves for much less energy.

But actual AI? Yes, please!

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 148 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, the protein folding thing is legitimately impressive and an actual good use for the technology that isnt just harvesting people's creativity for profit.

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

omg what is even the point of scientific progress and the advancement of human knowledge unless one specific person gets all the glory. What is science even for if not the validation of some human's individual ego.

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[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 82 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The way to tell so often seems to be if someone has called it AI or Machine Learning.

AI? "I put this through chatgpt" (or "The media department has us by the balls")

ML? "I crunched a huge amount of data in a huge amount of ways, and found something interesting"

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

The whole "all AI bad" is disconnected and primitivism.

John J. Hopfield work is SCIENCE with caps. A decade of investigations during the 80s when computational power couldn't really do much with their models. And now it has been shown that those models work really good given proper computational power.

Also not all AI is generative AI that takes money out of fanfic drawers pockets or an useless hallucinating chatbot. Neural networks are commonly used in science as a very useful tool for many tasks. Also image recognition is nowadays practically a solved issue thanks to their research. Proteins folding. Dataset reduction. Fluent text to speech. Speech recognition... AI may be getting more track nowadays because the generative AIs (that also have their own merit, like or not) but there is much more to it.

As any technological advance there are shitty use cases and good use cases. You cannot condemn a whole tech just for the shitty uses of some greedy capitalists. Well.. you can condemn it. But then I will classify you as a primitivist.

Scientific theory that resulted in practical applications useful to people is why the nobel prize was created to begin with. So it is a well given prize. More so than many others.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

Agreed. Which is why we should call it Machine Learning (or Data Science) and continue to torch OpenAI until it is no more.

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