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Abandon Harris endorses Green Party's Jill Stein (www.middleeasteye.net)
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The Abandon Harris movement that sprouted late last year out of the widespread outrage over the Biden-Harris administration’s support for the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza has officially endorsed the Green Party’s Jill Stein for US president.

The endorsement is the first of its kind for Stein and the Green Party, with the Abandon Harris campaign being the first major Muslim-led political group to endorse her campaign this election cycle. Last month, a smaller group, the Muslim American Public Affairs Council NC, also endorsed Stein.

“We are not choosing between a greater evil and a lesser evil. We are confronting two destructive forces: one currently overseeing a genocide and another equally committed to continuing it. Both are determined to see it through,” the Abandon Harris campaign said in a statement released on Monday.

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[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks. I'll read that one then. I've read parts of State and Revolution but never the whole thing in one sitting.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a good article, but it specifically deals with markets centralizing and making themselves ripe for central planning under a DotP, it won't answer the questions of Reform or Revolution like State and Rev and Reform or Revolution do. Their analysis is still good to this day, the bits of analysis that weren't as good I obviously didn't link (like Mao trying to socialize too early, which was wrong).

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So, in reading Socialism Developed China, I came across this paragraph:

China, as we already established, was not a developed market economy after Mao came to power. In fact, neither was Russia when the Bolsheviks came to power. This was a problem which Lenin had recognized and sought to find a solution to. The solution he proposed was his New Economic Policy. This would be a brief “state-capitalist” transition period in order to develop the economy enough in order for the transition to socialism to be possible.

Given that, why wouldn't American leftists (if they existed) want to participate in electoral politics that can transition us to socialism? Since we are already a developed market economy, it should be just a matter of re-alignment of the cultural priorities in order to produce that change.

The path to socialism is not just through violent revolution.

Yet American leftists seem to be either nihilistic and cynical, or hell-bent on violent revolution being the only way to socialism.

A violent revolution in America would inevitably fail without buy-in from the public at large.

Buy-in from the public at large will only come through education and indoctrination and by changing minds. But American leftists seem to want to isolate themselves into exclusive online enclaves like Hexbear and Lemmygrad and reddit's "socialist" subreddits, who ban anyone who wants or needs to learn.

Why are leftists so anti-evangelical (for lack of a better term)? Why don't leftists want to recruit?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Given that, why wouldn't American leftists (if they existed) want to participate in electoral politics that can transition us to socialism? Since we are already a developed market economy, it should be just a matter of re-alignment of the cultural priorities in order to produce that change.

Because the bourgeoisie have no interest in transitioning to Socialism, they can only lose. The only way to wrest power from them is revolution. It isn't as simple as "re-aligning cultural priorities," the electoral system is a reflection of the interests of the bourgoeisie as they influence through donations.

The path to socialism is not just through violent revolution.

It is, sadly.

Yet American leftists seem to be either nihilistic and cynical, or hell-bent on violent revolution being the only way to socialism.

Correct.

A violent revolution in America would inevitably fail without buy-in from the public at large.

Correct.

Buy-in from the public at large will only come through education and indoctrination and by changing minds. But American leftists seem to want to isolate themselves into exclusive online enclaves like Hexbear and Lemmygrad and reddit's "socialist" subreddits, who ban anyone who wants or needs to learn.

This is wrong. Ideas change with material conditions, as disparity rises leftism rises as well. Capitalist decay brings about Socialist values, making the public more accepting of Marxism. Additionally, Hexbear and Lemmygrad don't ban people who want to learn, just people who pick fights and refuse to. See the "Redpill me on China" thread. If you make a Lemm.ee, Lemmy.ml, Hexbear, Lemmygrad, or whatever you want account and meaningfully ask for people to clarify their positions without picking a fight, you'll get honest and kind answers.

Why are leftists so anti-evangelical (for lack of a better term)? Why don't leftists want to recruit?

They do recruit, like what I am doing right here and now. The reality is that the vast majority of liberals aren't convinced logically, only when it becomes ideologically convenient.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, first of all, you seem to be the outlier, in my experience.

I have made accounts on all three of those lemmy instances and have been instantly banned from them for trying to have a conversation like we’re having right now.

Hexbear called me a “wrecker” and the others said I was a shitlib. Their patience is non-existent and their paranoia has become their personality. And it’s really off-putting to those of us who would like to actually discuss this stuff like adults.

Yes, we may call you guys “tankies” but surely you must have thicker skin than that, right?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd like to see examples, it's easy to look that way.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, if you go in constantly arguing against AES, you're going to get pushed out. The poster I linked was willing to be proven wrong.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wasn't going in arguing against AES. I was trying to start a conversation so that I could learn.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Based on the comments, you argued as though your preconcieved notions were valid and used far-right think tanks as evidence, that's not a good way to learn.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My main issue was the attitude that I got back from them. Their responses were not reasonable like yours. They were sarcastic and toxic from the get-go.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They give back what they recieve in my experience.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Then they were misinterpreting me.