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Abandon Harris endorses Green Party's Jill Stein (www.middleeasteye.net)

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The Abandon Harris movement that sprouted late last year out of the widespread outrage over the Biden-Harris administration’s support for the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza has officially endorsed the Green Party’s Jill Stein for US president.

The endorsement is the first of its kind for Stein and the Green Party, with the Abandon Harris campaign being the first major Muslim-led political group to endorse her campaign this election cycle. Last month, a smaller group, the Muslim American Public Affairs Council NC, also endorsed Stein.

“We are not choosing between a greater evil and a lesser evil. We are confronting two destructive forces: one currently overseeing a genocide and another equally committed to continuing it. Both are determined to see it through,” the Abandon Harris campaign said in a statement released on Monday.

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[+] Frog@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

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[–] banshee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just wish we had STAR voting so additional candidates wouldn't increase the risk of Trump winning the election. So many people are either blind to the present danger or they spread misinformation because they hate the US.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you believe that third party voters could be perfectly rational and not spread misinformation?

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I believe you're in the group wishing for a disastrous outcome.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is Communism a "disastrous outcome" in your opinion, and genocide perfectly acceptable? You're being vague yet still slandering.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No. I believe you sincerely disagree with core tenets of US government and wish the government to be dismantled.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Correct, that's the best outcome for everyone the world over, including Americans.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're entitled to that opinion. That's why I assumed you to be in the latter group.

I'm certainly wrong about plenty of things, but I have seen too much violence and hatred grow out of Trump's first presidency. I do not share your desires for the US.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump didn't cause it, decay in Capitalism did. Trump was just a symptom of the broader problem. I am not spreading misinformation nor blind.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ok so you don't believe you're spreading misinformation. You are, however, spreading information that seeks to undermine US government institutions.

We can debate all day, and both of us will be at least partially incorrect. Many of our problems can also be attributed to religious institutions. There is one hill I'll die on though: Trump is an evil bastard.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Ok so you don't believe you're spreading misinformation. You are, however, spreading information that seeks to undermine US government institutions.

Sure, I hate the genocidal US Empire, and want Communism. That's not "spreading misinformation."

We can debate all day, and both of us will be at least partially incorrect.

Speak for yourself.

Many of our problems can also be attributed to religious institutions

Somewhat, but generally religious "values" mold to support the Mode of Production. Religion and culture are aspects of the Superstructure that reinforces the Base, ergo the core of the issue is Capitalism.

There is one hill I'll die on though: Trump is an evil bastard.

Not once have I disagreed with that, I just extend that judgement to the US Imperial State, not Trump alone. Trump is only as powerful as he is because Capitalism is in decay, and fascism is Capitalism in decline. You can't stop fascism without stopping Capitalism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If Jill Stein got elected and pulled out of NATO she would be the best US President in history for the Global South. Anyone who understands and agrees with ACAB but supports NATO has no idea about how Capitalism and by extension Imperialism functions.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Voting for Stein in a FPTP voting system doesn't solve the problem that's been turned into a one issue campaign slogan. Even if she was the perfect candidate. The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election, and out of those two choices, suddenly who to vote for is obvious. If it wasn't already.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (28 children)

The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election

Which is nearly impossible, ergo it isn't a solution. Revolution is necessary.

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election

How would you propose to do that while also offering said party an unconditional vote? I'm not American, but if you have an answer it would be useful here too. Parliamentary systems end up pretty much the same.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Is Harris going to implement RCV? If not your argument is a red herring.

You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.

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[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This doesn't make sense. How could the "Abandon Harris" movement start late last year when Harris wasn't even the candidate?

[–] basmatii@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Can't wait for tolerant liberals to go full mask off and claim these Muslims just must not be smart enough to realize the threat of Trump... Again.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

They’ve been saying that for months right here on Lemmy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

One of said liberals is malding at me right now for pointing out that they are being blatantly racist.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (15 children)

You don't think Trump is going to be infinitely worse than Harris on this issue in particular?

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

Being murdered in a genocide seems about as worse as it can get. Would Trump reanimate the corpses and then murder them again or something?

[–] basmatii@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

It doesn't get worse than being genocided, is the point these people are making.

Both Harris and Trump, equally think Muslims and other unwanted statistically brown people deserve to be subject to genocide and are willing to commit massive amount of funds to that end.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (42 children)

Absolutely not. Historically, the DNC and GOP are in lock-step for foreign policy.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

If Trump were doing it you might getout of your chair and materially oppose it rather than making excuses for an imagined lesser evil genocide.

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