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So, in reading Socialism Developed China, I came across this paragraph:
Given that, why wouldn't American leftists (if they existed) want to participate in electoral politics that can transition us to socialism? Since we are already a developed market economy, it should be just a matter of re-alignment of the cultural priorities in order to produce that change.
The path to socialism is not just through violent revolution.
Yet American leftists seem to be either nihilistic and cynical, or hell-bent on violent revolution being the only way to socialism.
A violent revolution in America would inevitably fail without buy-in from the public at large.
Buy-in from the public at large will only come through education and indoctrination and by changing minds. But American leftists seem to want to isolate themselves into exclusive online enclaves like Hexbear and Lemmygrad and reddit's "socialist" subreddits, who ban anyone who wants or needs to learn.
Why are leftists so anti-evangelical (for lack of a better term)? Why don't leftists want to recruit?
Because the bourgeoisie have no interest in transitioning to Socialism, they can only lose. The only way to wrest power from them is revolution. It isn't as simple as "re-aligning cultural priorities," the electoral system is a reflection of the interests of the bourgoeisie as they influence through donations.
It is, sadly.
Correct.
Correct.
This is wrong. Ideas change with material conditions, as disparity rises leftism rises as well. Capitalist decay brings about Socialist values, making the public more accepting of Marxism. Additionally, Hexbear and Lemmygrad don't ban people who want to learn, just people who pick fights and refuse to. See the "Redpill me on China" thread. If you make a Lemm.ee, Lemmy.ml, Hexbear, Lemmygrad, or whatever you want account and meaningfully ask for people to clarify their positions without picking a fight, you'll get honest and kind answers.
They do recruit, like what I am doing right here and now. The reality is that the vast majority of liberals aren't convinced logically, only when it becomes ideologically convenient.
Well, first of all, you seem to be the outlier, in my experience.
I have made accounts on all three of those lemmy instances and have been instantly banned from them for trying to have a conversation like we’re having right now.
Hexbear called me a “wrecker” and the others said I was a shitlib. Their patience is non-existent and their paranoia has become their personality. And it’s really off-putting to those of us who would like to actually discuss this stuff like adults.
Yes, we may call you guys “tankies” but surely you must have thicker skin than that, right?
I'd like to see examples, it's easy to look that way.
https://hexbear.net/post/143338
https://hexbear.net/post/143473
To be fair, if you go in constantly arguing against AES, you're going to get pushed out. The poster I linked was willing to be proven wrong.
I wasn't going in arguing against AES. I was trying to start a conversation so that I could learn.
Based on the comments, you argued as though your preconcieved notions were valid and used far-right think tanks as evidence, that's not a good way to learn.
My main issue was the attitude that I got back from them. Their responses were not reasonable like yours. They were sarcastic and toxic from the get-go.
They give back what they recieve in my experience.
Then they were misinterpreting me.