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Potential CSAM is a whole different beast. The consequences are a lot more serious than community vibes.

Just want to throw some admin appreciation in here. Sudden drama like this taking off like a wildfire can be pretty difficult to handle (particularly in the face of brigading) and I appreciate y'all staying level headed and legitimately trying to foster broader trans community outside of our instance. It's an important niche and I'm glad to be a part of it.

EDIT: I think this is especially important to mention as the discourse has kind of soured from both sides. Sure it's understandable that tensions are running high but it's important to remember that there's real people on the other end of it, in some cases doing free labor for a community that they love.

To be fair, they did explicitly change their rules after how the last thread went. I think it's reasonable to have another discussion with that in mind. That said I am in favor of defederating.

This is pretty slick. Should work as far as I can tell. Maybe an outsized amount of work to host another instance though.

almost stopped using lemmy altogether

I definitely empathize with this

Being harassed and called a lib for criticizing their dogpiling doesn't feel like unity to me.

Because I have moderated communities that live and die by the quality of their discussion and I understand that once you slip too far, you will not come back. Rabid circlejerky instances that promote dogpiling do not facilitate discussion and as a whole are bad for the health of the threadiverse. If people can't have a reasonable discussion here they will simply leave. That does not mean that I think hexbear should not exist, but they should probably be contained to their own corner of the broader threadiverse.

Them not jiving with the broader threadiverse is absolutely reason to defederate. They should probably be in their own network of leftist shitposting and trolling instances. Places with similar tone and customs around dogpiling.

And regarding “most instances do not have these sorts of problems” — I don’t think it’s good to treat the majority experience as the universal experience.

Don't get me wrong hexbear is absolutely anomalous. I do not think that is an argument in favor of federating with them.

The comments I consider deflection:

• Asking for an update to the UI to clarify when a post is federated and what that means for user behavior (Full text is: Okay, can we get like, posts from other sites to have red backgrounds with caution tape all over so we don't forget? [mischevious emoji])
• Saying that Lemmy needs to allow local-only communities (true but not really the problem)
• “[…] I still think that federating with so many communities at all the same time was a bad idea […] I hope we take a more measured approach moving forward.” (most instances do not have these sorts of problems)

Ultimately the tone of the instance and its infectious nature on the fediverse are the issue. Particularly as it does not seem that the admins/mods truly have the ability to reign in their users.

Primarily deflection and shitposting. I see exactly ONE comment in praise of the new rules.

I edited my post to mention this. I think it's notable that the current top comment over there is:

Every instance that has talked shit and got dogpiled should be thanking us for breathing some life into their dead and boring ass websites.