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Hexbear Discussion Round 2 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/main@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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I figured since their admin has asked them to stop participating over here it may be worthwhile to get a new discussion going that is primarily blahaj. I'm almost certain they'll still be upvoting so keep that in mind as that may skew things. Worthwhile to check in from instances that have already defederated them. The previous thread definitely left a bad taste in my mouth but what do y'all think?

Old thread can be found here

EDIT: With regards to the post on new federation guidelines here: https://hexbear.net/post/352119

The current top comment is:

Every instance that has talked shit and got dogpiled should be thanking us for breathing some life into their dead and boring ass websites.

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[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Primarily deflection and shitposting. I see exactly ONE comment in praise of the new rules.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The top-level comments I see in order are,

  • The aforementioned comment
  • Asking for an update to the UI to clarify when a post is federated and what that means for user behavior
  • Shitpost
  • A post in favor
  • Saying that Lemmy needs to allow local-only communities
  • "[...] I still think that federating with so many communities at all the same time was a bad idea [...] I hope we take a more measured approach moving forward."
  • Shitpost
  • Shitpost
  • Disappointment at one aspect of the rule change but understanding its necessity
  • "okie"
  • "[...] wasn't dunking 99% of the reason we federated in the first place? [...]"
  • Asking about if users should censor names when "dunking"
  • Shitpost
  • Asking for clarification about one of the new rules

A lot of shitposting, sure, but I don't see how you can really call any of that "deflection".

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The comments I consider deflection:

  • Asking for an update to the UI to clarify when a post is federated and what that means for user behavior (Full text is: Okay, can we get like, posts from other sites to have red backgrounds with caution tape all over so we don't forget? [mischevious emoji])
  • Saying that Lemmy needs to allow local-only communities (true but not really the problem)
  • “[…] I still think that federating with so many communities at all the same time was a bad idea […] I hope we take a more measured approach moving forward.” (most instances do not have these sorts of problems)

Ultimately the tone of the instance and its infectious nature on the fediverse are the issue. Particularly as it does not seem that the admins/mods truly have the ability to reign in their users.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Also, their admin telling them not to participate in this thread seems to have worked, so maybe they have more of an ability to reign in their users than it seems? It might be best to wait a while to see the impact of their rule change before defederating.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I figured it was those comments you were referring to, and I can sort of see where you're coming from now that I think about it, since it should be on the users to behave even without changing Lemmy's features. Still, I don't think it's particularly malicious to discuss how to improve the site, and how they could've approached federation differently. I think that functionality shapes behavior, so these are the types of things that should be discussed.

Edit: And regarding "most instances do not have these sorts of problems" — I don't think it's good to treat the majority experience as the universal experience.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And regarding “most instances do not have these sorts of problems” — I don’t think it’s good to treat the majority experience as the universal experience.

Don't get me wrong hexbear is absolutely anomalous. I do not think that is an argument in favor of federating with them.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think them being anomalous is an argument in favor of not federating with them, either.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Them not jiving with the broader threadiverse is absolutely reason to defederate. They should probably be in their own network of leftist shitposting and trolling instances. Places with similar tone and customs around dogpiling.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

I still think it's too early to reach a verdict.