So it'd have to be a big revolution in that case or a network of small groups from nearby gathering to a big revolution? Uhm.. I guess with the current mass surveillance and intelligence sharing between agencies would likely stop such thing, unless people were to start using Mesh Networks like I2P considering it'd not be compromised, which if any dev involved on such projects living a country that does it like UK/Australia/NZ/USA would be approached by autorities, not a conspiracy, it happens often and the last time it happened and was publicly shared was with one of the devs of Session (Private E2EE Instant Mess!aging) who then fled to Switzerland. The only chance of intelligence agencies sitting on information about such thing happening and not giving a flying shit would be if it was from within a politically isolated country/extremist oppressive country unless it is capilist then I guess it is what it is. It'd involve so much organized planning which then.. some hierarchy will born even if a decentralized one?
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Interesting points, very nice to get them from someone's different perspective, thanks.
‘Idealists’ like myself catch a lot of flak over this exact issue. To me, it’s largely a matter of principle, so I think we should do it anyway. I feel strongly that it isn’t our responsibility to make sure every base is covered before making revolutionary change.
I believe that hierarchy is bad, so we should get rid of it. Yes, that then makes us a target for new oppressors, but we’re only not a target now because we already have oppressors
Let's say it was done then, how would it avoid being exploitable by those oppressors?
We actually also don't even need to eat meat nowadays, plenty of ways to fill your vitamin needs in a healthier way.. of course, it's not cheap for everyone.
Nordic countries seem to have been voting for more competent politicians than the rest of the world, at least. They ain't perfect but it's not like every other country hasn't set a low bar to beat it.
Well, Finland isn't scandinavian though, but I do get your point. However, they do benefit from some worries to lessen so they can focus in other priorities, not justifying it but there is a silver lining, I agree once they should become more independent would somehow be better but it's not like they ain't countries who has a dark past of going through wars because of the SS and Soviet Union, Nordic and Balkan countries share that in common hence why I hardly think they'll become more independent unless it's to "replace" with European hegemony if Europe stops relying on USA. Finland, for example, was politically neutral for decades til recently now increasing their reliance on the USA just as the rest of Europe, wars really postpone the ability of a large sum of countries ability on becoming more independent. A world withour war? I wish, but that'll stay a wishful thought. List of wars since World War Ii:
But it is closer than people living in capitalist countries are, correct? I guess it is sort of a progress at least (if it is, maybe I'm thinking the wrong way?), also do you mean society as a whole as in the whole world to be cashless or countries since it'd be a less radical change, and if so, wouldn't these cashless societies become targets of the rest of the world? I can't seem to think a middle way through to reach to that end goal
Finland gave away land to Russia to keep peace and they never asked for it back, Sweden could still be an empire but it isn't, they're not nuclead states but they are not 3rd world country either, in fact, their political crisis seem like a joke when you compare to how the rest of the world is when they are in the midst of a political crisis I think Nordic countries are a lot better to debate when it comes to this than what UK, Portugal, US, Germany, France, Russia, China has been doing for pretty long or used to, they definitely set the bar really low so every argument against state seem even enraging, rightfully
I could just being biased so don't take it any of my say as a good point, I just want to discuss in regards to it, you do have good points
Sorry if its a dumb question, but if its to compare to another political spectrum in regards to what it can do to more peoppe, wouldn't it be better to compare with social democracy? Finland is social democrat, people has affordable healthcare etc (except mental health access - not impossible but harder than anything else), they tax the rich, rich committing crimes punishable by fines get a way bigger fine compared to the middle class. Do you mean hierarchy is bad in any case? In regards to technology, I'd be inclined to say people in power are doing a shitty job, but anything else depends subjectively, I find Nordic countries a better reference to compare than countries like USA/Germany/France, you can see people on the happiness index (said by many its more of feeling gratitude and satisfied) many of the countries on top are Nordic countries, they also regulate tech better compared to other countries (for example, Iceland - referring to them as a good example of a country properly regulating tech, its not perfect but its not like the rest of the world isn't setting a really low bar)
What a depressing read this is, OpenAI has scraped tons of books and trying to scrape the entire internet and they don't have to worry much, but ordinary people have to think twice for scanning and donating the physical book to someone who might benefit from it, such a dystopic reality
I hadn't thought about that.. when there was an exodus last year or 2022 I think? Mastodon received a lot of users and mastodon.social temporarily closed sign ups, probably because of this. It's also a lot more convenient and easier switch to BlueSky, official app very Twitter-like web UI also Twitter-like, it certainly provides a more convenient switch to people who just don't to stress on the smallest things, also just create account with a default instance pre-selected (which a lot of those migrating there are confused why usernames contain the instance after the username). Pixelfed does a lot better in those terms comparing to what it aims to be an alternative of (Instagram) than Mastodon does with too many choices most people will be lost even more the people who know very little about tech and don't even know the difference of centralized and decentralized. I've came across this post on Mastodon (from another Lemmy post) which is very concerning though.. but again, these people won't care about that, it's all about convenience for most of them and BlueSky is doing it well.
Maybe in the future, but for now it looks like they already amnounced their next step to how they'll monetize their platform.
Source: https://www.engadget.com/social-media/blueskys-upcoming-premium-plan-wont-give-paid-users-special-treatment-193800247.html