TheFonz

You can tell the writers are running out of ideas this season

Pleas don't give Hollywood any ideas...

I don't understand. Did I lobby any insults at you at any point?

I just asked how could any meaningful legislation pass without a super majority and you accuse me of lying. My thesis hasn't changed since post #1. Do you have any suggestions for how the democratic party could have effected change without a super majority? I'm really curious. We'd all like to know.

So... Now we've pivotted to ad homs

I don't know what your argument is any more. Sinema and Manchin were always moderates. Democrats can't perform miracles if they don't have enough votes. Do you have any suggestions how they could have done it with just a slim majority held back by two moderates? What's your plan? I'm listening.

Yes, but Italians are incompetent (at least their government). That's the one relief

Moderator: I realize this is duplicate feel free to delete

I'm not sure where the confusion is. My whole point in that those two shits (Manchin and Sinema) did not vote with the party and blocked legislation. They worked against progressive legislation. Many of the bills had progressive policies that were taken out because of those two idiots. I'm for progressive policies but even I recognize the Democratic party was held hostage by these two shits. I thought I was clear???

You're just restating your original claim without addressing what I wrote. You're stuck on your point for some reason. I'm telling you, the American Overton window - - as much as we online people want it to be-- is not aligned with what we see in Europe. Step outside social media and talk to real Americans or look at polls. Yes, some things poll really well like Universal health care. But when the same poll ran with a different question "would you be in favor of abolishing private insurance" only fraction rated it favorably. The reality is the US is not yet where we as lefties would like to see it.

They did NOT do everything. It fact we barely got them to do much. All this information is publicly available. Their voting records are available to see. None of this is hidden. They are the primary reason most of the bills that DID pass were almost completely neutered because they were negotiated down or stalled. This also happened only a few years ago. We are not talking about last decade.

Two independents from conservative states that barely align with democrats. Why do you handwave this away so easily???

Just read an article in the guardian by a climate scientist lamenting how many times he and his colleagues presented flood risk data to city officials in Valencia but time and time again they ignored them. Very sad.