Misha

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The forbidden is exciting. Sexual excitement is better than sexual boredom. So people seek the forbidden for the excitement. But Gens Y + Z have stopped kink-shaming. So nothing is forbidden anymore. It's all boring.

Except....

....age-gaps.

Everybody has to run around claiming that inappropriate age-gaps are super naughty just so they have some rules to break to make sex exciting again.

 

Imagine you own some paintings made by an extremely talented artist. The artist has just died. You are sure that the value of his work will increase by a factor of 10 or 20 in future years.

Do you go on the internet and tell everyone to buy all the paintings, sketches, and doodles this guy ever made?

Or do you quietly look for ways to get ownership of as many of these limited items as you can before the price inevitably rises?

Exactly. That man's art work has intrinsic value.

Not so long ago there were people going on TV telling everyone that Beanie Babies are an awesome investment. They really hyped up the value of these limited edition items. Each one unique and irreplaceable.

The difference is that people who invested in Beanie Babies needed to stoke demand for the product. Without that demand the pieces of nylon cloth had zero value. Instead of quietly hoarding as many of the things as they could, for the lowest possible prices, they worked very hard to get others to also buy up as many as possible.

Beanie Babies have no intrinsic value.

There's a hard limit on the number of Bitcoin that can be made. If Bitcoin Maniacs really believed that their crypto had intrinsic value, they'd be praying for low prices for as long as possible. They'd very quietly try to get their hands on as much of the limited number of coins as they could before people realized how incredible this asset is.

but they don't do that. They do the opposite. They are super enthusiastic cheerleaders. They endlessly talk about how great an investment it is. They never shut up about how much everyone can benefit by buying now. They desperately need others to believe that the long strings of characters they have encrypted somewhere in digital storage have value.

Is that Beanie Baby worth $10,000? Only if someone is willing to pay that much for it. Just like Beanie Babies, Bitcoin has zero intrinsic value. It's price on the open market will fall to zero as soon as people stop believing in its value.

 

Not All Adults at the Park Are Predators

Old and young have always interacted. Yet the idea that children and adults go naturally together has been replaced by distrust and disgust.

Sunday, March 3, 2024

I’m trying not to obsess about child overprotection, but … obsess I do. Here’s the latest object of my ire: the playground signs at my burg, New York City, that say, “Playground rules prohibit adults except in the company of children.” Apparently, any adult who simply wants to sit on a bench and watch children at play could be a creep, so we should just ban them all. The idea that children and adults go naturally together has been replaced by distrust and disgust. There was a case here a while back when seven chess players playing outside were fined for … playing chess. Their chess tables — concrete ones, immovable, and placed there by the city — were deemed too close to the children, so the men were booted. It didn’t matter that they hadn’t caused any trouble. In fact, the grizzled guys had taken it upon themselves to teach some of the local children how to play the game of kings.  Actual kindness? Who cares? All that mattered were the fantasies conjured up by what-if thinking: What IF they turned out to be monsters?  By separating the generations this way, we are creating a society that actively distrusts anyone who wants to help a child other than his own. Compare this anxiety with what goes on in Japan. Did you watch “Old Enough,” the Netflix show with the 4-year-olds shopping for sushi ingredients? There, the youngest children wear bright yellow hats when they go to school. “Doesn’t that put them in danger?” asked a friend. To her, a child who calls attention to himself is a child who could be attracting a predator.  Only attracting adult attention is exactly what the yellow hats are supposed to do. In Japan, the assumption is that the easier it is to see children, the easier it is for grown-ups to look out for them.  Japan’s belief is that children are our collective responsibility. America’s is that children are private possessions under constant threat of theft.  Which brings me to the flip side of our obsession with stranger danger: the idea that any time a parent lets her children do anything on their own, she is actually requiring the rest of us grownups to “babysit” them, for free. The “Why should I have to watch your kid at the park?” question comes up when I talk about how good it would be for children to get more exercise and independence by doing that thing we used to call “going outside to play.” It’s not that someone else HAS to watch any child at the park on their own. It’s that usually humans DO watch out for each other. It’s not unpaid labor. It’s being a human.  Most children making their way to school or frolicking outside are not going to need major assistance from anyone, adult or otherwise. Yet if they do, I’d like to think most of us would give it ungrudgingly. Their parents have not foisted a huge burden on society by letting their children be part of it.  Old and young have always interacted. Adults who enjoy being around children are, for the most part, just adults who enjoy being around children. Not predators.  And children who are out and about in the world are just that: children out and about. Not a big, unpaid obligation for the rest of us. I’m not sure about the yellow hats, but Japan has the right idea. Looking out for everyone beats trusting no one. 

LENORE SKENAZY Ms. Skenazy is president of Let Grow, a contributing writer at Reason.com, and author of "Has the World Gone Skenazy?"

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 7 months ago

Also, unlike the original Puritans, Neo-Puritanism doesn't have much to do with Christianity. There are atheist feminists who are extremely sex-negative and definitely want to punish the majority of men for wanting sex too much. I also know two queer men who support trans causes and all sorts of bizarre kinks. One of them is Jewish and the other has no religion, but they are vociferously opposed to any sex that even remotely might have a hint of power imbalance between the partners. "What?!? She has a job, but he's unemployed?!? That's rape!!" Those are Neo-Puritans.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I edited the title of my post to make clear that it is about US culture, and makes no claims about various norms around the world.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

If you want to say "Japan is a quirky outlier" that's fine. but that's also a good reason why it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Strict social norms which inhibit, distort, and repress natural healthy sexual expression (call it Puritanism, or give it any other name you like) will cause large numbers of people to be sexually unfulfilled, lonely, and depressed.

My original post is a comparison of the US today and the US 40 years ago. That is within living memory and we have tons of good statistics from the entire period. The point I made is solid and obvious. Vague and inaccurate notions about other countries make no difference.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Japan is extremely puritanical.

They're so sex-negative their porn has pixelated genitals.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 2 points 7 months ago

According to this study...

36 countries studied in 2020.

"Our findings do not provide evidence for substantial declines in mental well-being among adolescents."

The massive teen mental health crisis is not an international problem.

It's only in the USA. (we f**ked up)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X20300793 .

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Why is there such a horrible epidemic of loneliness among young adults right now? Why are so few of them finding partners and having sex?

The simple explanation is that overall young people are more prudish and so overall they are having much less sex.

This alone is an excellent reason to fight tooth and nail against the Puritan Revival. The Sexual Revolution didn't happen because everything was peachy keen. Having a Sexual Counter-Revolution in the 2020s will cause a lot of pain in future decades.

Why do today's Neo-Puritan attitudes have more severe impact on men than on women? (as seen in the statistics showing that young men are leading the lonely and sexless trend among young Millennials and Zoomers)

The explanation is pretty simple. Most women prefer partners who are 3 to 10 years older than them. This is usually fine, because men don't seem to have a problem with women 3 to 10 years younger than them. When I was in high school it was common for juniors and seniors to date freshmen or sophomores. The older partner was always male.

(For simplicity I divide young adults into 3 age groups: 14-18, 19-24, and 25-30)

Young women aged 14-18 being romantically involved with young men aged 19-24 was extremely common throughout human history. Does that mean that young women aged 19-24 were lonely and celibate? Nope. They had partners aged 25-30. Even today women aged 19-24 are allowed to boink men who are 25-30. but men who are 19-24 are now strictly banned from becoming romantically involved with the group who they traditionally and historically most often love.

This is the main reason the cultural shift has impacted young men more than young women.

OG Puritans were virulently opposed to lust, frivolity, fornication of any kind. Oral, anal, group or anything homosexual was unthinkable to them. Masturbation was vociferously discouraged.

Neo-Puritanism has no problem with porn, gay, trans, or any of a broad spectrum of kinky behavior. But the Neo-Puritans are total fucking Prude-Freaks about age. Gens Y and Z talk about age gap sex the way the OG Puritans talked about bestiality. They are completely disgusted, horrified even.

How on Earth did this bizarre new taboo rise from nowhere?

Stranger Danger was a mass hysteria from the 80s than never went away. It just morphed into Sex Predator Panic which came to include Grooming Terror. Then it merged with a runaway MeToo movement and any imagined "power imbalance" suddenly caused rape and trauma on a galactic scale.

We stopped thinking rationally and became consumed by fear. This forced us to try to protect anyone who could even remotely be considered "vulnerable"

In this atmosphere we not only stopped believing that teens are young adults perfectly capable of running their own sex lives. We also started to believe that men are predators, women are victims, and age is a kind of power which is used for sexual evil.

So if a woman aged 19-24 breaks some norms and has sex that her Neo-Puritan society frowns on, she might get slut-shammed. But a man that age doing the same thing is likely to get violence, death threats, or a prison term.

The main reason that men aged 19-24 are lonely and sexless is that we reclassified teenagers. About 20 years ago we stopped recognizing the young adult status of post-pubescent 14 to 18-year-olds and we, absurdly, started to believe that they are children.

This new paradigm is wreaking havoc throughout our society. It's time to stop that shit.

 

from Lenore Skenazy of #FreeRangeKids · Feb 23 🧵1/2

Email I got from Nat Center for Missing/Exploited Children today:

"Do you hold the key to cracking the David Yeager case? David was 17 when he vanished from his home Feb. 6, 1971."

Sure, I can crack a case from 53 yrs ago. Thanks for asking! David is 70 now?

On it!

🧵2/2

The reason I'm Tweeting about this is that the email is so dang disingenuous.

#NCMEC cannot believe a random person could solve a 53-year cold case. So why pretend? Why INVOLVE me?

To reinforce terror & sorrow about stranger-danger.

That's all.

 

No group of people in human history, not on-line, not in real life, has ever existed without content moderation.

The idea that Reddit, or Twitter, or Nostr, or any other place, virtual or otherwise can, should, or ever will exist without content moderation is fucking absurd. You have to be brain-dead to believe something so obviously idiotic. And to frame that ridiculous delusion in terms like “free speech” only goes to show that nobody has a clue what they’re talking about.

 

We gleefully wallow in neo-Puritan sex-phobia,

all under the guise of criticizing “sexualization”

#SPR860

 
 

Content moderation is like knives. A lot of people are murdered by knives every year. If your brother was killed with a knife you might have very strong anti-knife feelings.

but the solution is not to outlaw all sharp bladed objects. The concept of the knife (content moderation) is not to blame for the bad things people do with the knife.

Knives are much more often used for good than for evil. They are extremely useful for food preparation, and opening packages, for example.

I've had several social media suspended. People try to murder my message with content moderation (knives) all the time. But the knife (content moderation) is not to blame. Social media platforms must delete malicious accounts. Otherwise they become unusable. My message is quite controversial. A lot of people don't want their false narratives scrutinized, or their goofy myths challenged in any way. They will use knives (content moderation) to try to stop me. That's ok. That's normal civic discussion.

 
 

A radical change in the way we see ourselves, our bodies, and sexuality, and normal human interactions, coincides with the meteoric rise of the word "sexualize"

https://kraut.zone/w/vNBPA96oiUohpm2HpT7HuF (5-min PeerTube video)

 

I went to high school in the 1980s, and everyone was saying all the same things back then too.

I have absolutely no doubt that this exact same message was conveyed in the 70s, in the 60s, in the 50s... people are ALWAYS complaining "There's too much sex in media these days."

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago

I am aware of the history of Baywatch and its audience.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago

Why shouldn't children play dress up?

and what on earth does seducing someone have to do with "sexualization"?

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Elvis did not marry a child. Saying so is an absurd distortion of what really happened. Some idiot lied to promote an agenda then millions of others, who probably meant well, repeated that lie.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All animals and most plants use sexual reproduction. We are sexual. The specific body parts used for sex acts or for sexual signalling vary from species to species.

The human ear lobe has no function other than sexual signalling and being an erogenous zone. Men's beards are not necessary. They only show masculinity. They are very much like antlers in deer species.

This mandrill has a colorful nose. The peacock has a wild tail. These are sexual traits which attract mates. We have them too.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

but Pamela, as all other humans, is sexual by nature. If we weren't sexual we couldn't reproduce.

The idea that Playboy made her sexual is absurd.

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago

LOL :-D

That which is dancing cannot be sexual?

[–] Misha@lemmy.tf 3 points 1 year ago

A one minute vid introducing the topic: https://youtu.be/JH7U0AswFjc

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