Just the complete irony of Musk being killed by Autopilot would be too much for me.
this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2023
465 points (95.3% liked)
Enough Musk Spam
2198 readers
364 users here now
For those that have had enough of the Elon Musk worship online.
No flaming, baiting, etc. This community is intended for those opposed to the influx of Elon Musk-related advertising online. Coming here to defend Musk or his companies will not get you banned, but it likely will result in downvotes. Please use the reporting feature if you see a rule violation.
Opinions from all sides of the political spectrum are welcome here. However, we kindly ask that off-topic political discussion be kept to a minimum, so as to focus on the goal of this sub. This community is minimally moderated, so discussion and the power of upvotes/downvotes are allowed, provided lemmy.world rules are not broken.
Post links to instances of obvious Elon Musk fanboy brigading in default subreddits, lemmy/kbin communities/instances, astroturfing from Tesla/SpaceX/etc., or any articles critical of Musk, his ideas, unrealistic promises and timelines, or the working conditions at his companies.
Tesla-specific discussion can be posted here as well as our sister community /c/RealTesla.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Hope springs eternal, as they say
Dean Kamen is still alive. The person you're thinking of was the new ceo after he sold the company, not the segway's inventor
It would do a lot to correct the public's understanding of irony. Ever since Alanis Morisette came out with her hit Ironic everyone's been using it wrong
I had something real witty all planned out as a response to your irony comment, but before I can click the "reply" link, out of nowhere IT'S LIKE RAAAIIIIIIAAAAAIIIIINN ON YOUR WEDDING DAAY steamrolls into my head like Yoko Ono on a goddamn bullhorn and I get lost in the song and completely forget everything I was going to say. And I was so proud, too. Damn you, Alanis!
A song named "Ironic" filled with a bunch of scenarios but not a single one is ironic is... a little bit ironic, don't ya think?
Yeah, I really do think
It's like raaaaiiin on a sunny day, A free ride when the meter said 12.78, Some good advice from a doctor that was fake, And who would have thought it figured?
I wonder at what point we just change the definition
“That’s why we’ve not released this to the public yet. That’s the first intervention for the whole drive.”
Why is it on any car, even his, on public roads? Why should untested, unregulated software be controlling thousands of pounds of metal at all?
Because he has more money than you, which gives him more rights than you.
Ha! jokes on you, I don't have any rights. Just a number of subscriptions. Oh shit forgot to renew my free speech su--- [CENSORED]
Subscription based democracy?
Only sign up for the laws you want, with a quid pro quo/golden rule stipulation?
load more comments
(2 replies)
Looking at it another way: we're all guinea pigs if we consider untested public policy that should work in theory.
Self-driving is not untested, but the problem is that deep down AI is just a lot of statistically derived rules and life is random and will inevitably find a loophole. Technically it's still less likely to kill you on average, maybe even on average if you exclude drunk driving, street racing, and the like.
It's really a philosophical question: would you take dying by your own fuck-up over dying because an AI confused a piece of cardboard for a brick wall or pedestrian?
I think the sweet spot is having the AI back up the human instead of the other way around, but that won't sell as well as reading a book on your commute.
It’s really a philosophical question: would you take dying by your own fuck-up over dying because an AI confused a piece of cardboard for a brick wall or pedestrian?
It's a "philosophical question" that implies that we must choose between manual driving and AI driving that can be confused by a piece of cardboard.
There's nothing saying that Tesla's full self driving is something we have to accept. Musk himself artificially limited the solution by disallowing lidar (amongst other bullshit decisions).
We're not at the point of philosophical questions yet IMO, and we shouldn't get locked into the false dichotomy of manual or musk's version of automatic driving when there are other, much safer and more reasonable solutions both inside automobiles, as well as alternatives such as expanding public transit.
The process of it becoming good enough will be more gradual, with corporate interests lobbying for whatever is most marketable at the time. There will be no singular convention on driving where the philosophical question at the root of policy gets resolved - research will show new drivers benefit most, so at first first-time drivers might be obliged to have some AI backup then there will be some incremental movement as the political climate is favorable.
Not to go off on a tangent, but I think gun control is a useful example of what I'm talking about: it's so easy to make people fight bitterly over minutia while ignoring the core philosophical questions entirely (government monopoly on violence, civilian relationship to government, civilian disarmament), an earnest discussion of which would likely be more disruptive to either overarching agenda than losing any court case (by calling other policy into question - like militarized police who do not even see themselves as civilians anymore).
So nVidia releases a better self driving AI than Tesla, and everyone is comfortable with letting it drive on the highway for you. Each step will be fairly uncontroversial until at some point we're all comfortable with the thing and someone only wants to make it mandatory for some small segment of drivers, which itself will not draw much controversy because classic non-AI cars with manual transmissions and such will only be in the realm of enthusiasts and collectors.
Don't forget dying because of someone else's fuck up
Yes good point. Ends-means arguments are basically that people trust some rigid system more than the humans around them, even if it means them losing control and being helpless themselves.
As someone who works on AV SW for a living, it's really not a big deal, assuming you've got certain limits already in place.
However, unlike Tesla, we're not just handing this out to random people who clicked "I agree" on the screen. We've got tons of dedicated training and have to demonstrate we can react to stuff and take over under worst-case conditions, and take incidents like this really seriously.
It's funny that he says "Oh, this is why it's not released to the public", as I did some driving with a Model 3 on the latest version of FSD within the last few weeks, and in a 1 hour drive had plenty of "Oh shit" moments like this. So yeah, they'll totally release garbage like this to the public, no doubt about it
Simulations show people will get out of your way 95% of the time, and it avoids nasty traffic jams.
Sure, and we do hundreds of thousands of miles of simulation on each SW build before it'll be okayed for even driving on site, then it has to pass additional tests before it's allowed on public roads with a test driver.
load more comments
(1 replies)
2016,.. "I really would consider autonomous driving to be basically a solved problem," Musk said. "I think we're basically less than two years away from complete autonomy."
One year away since 2014.
2016 was when we were supposed to be driving fusion powered self driving cars
Self flying car*
The video link requires a Xwitter account, of which I do not have. 😒
Video here after 16:30 mark:
Jesus Christ. Just calmly saying, "because the car should be going straight" after it happens as if it were a normal occurrence that just has to be avoided at times.
How many times did he have to intervene on the test stack to get that nonchalant about it -- 200, 300?
I guess I world have done the same thing if the light turned green.
try in nitter
"LEMME SHOW YA SOMTHIN!!"
--Fire Marshall Elon
Let's say you're just minding your own business, you stop to have a cup of tea and a croissant at a nice street side cafe. UH OH! A PSYCHOTIC, 2-TON MURDEROUS AUTOMATON ON FOUR WHEELS COMES BARRELING DOWN THE SIDEWALK!
That’s what we call, children, a BAT-tery OUT OF HELL!
Can we give it the voice of knight rider?
In case anyone doesn’t get the reference: https://youtu.be/EpQStm-W4zQ?si=rKtOD3abE0AlIIVE
Hey cool I sat in that thing when I was about 6 years old. Still remember the little 4" tv's 35 years later...
The AI just like me yearning for death fr fr
No more training AI on humans
Most relatable comment of 2023
Tesla stock holders hate this one simple trick.
The trick is to buy as many weekly puts on Tesla as possible.
This is a joke by the way. Do not play with options unless you know what your doing. I swear some people want a ticket to the poorhouse 😅
Tesla stock holders hate this one simple trick.
I think you may mean “dick”.
aka yolo mode
“That’s why we’ve not released this to the public yet. That’s the first intervention for the whole drive.”
Which, fair enough!
no, that's not "fair enough", it's unacceptable for him to be testing this shit on public roads among other drivers.
15 years of ownership. Billions of dollars.
Result: The world's most expensive port of Burnout.
view more: next ›