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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 136 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (42 children)

Translation: you'll become more conservative when you have children and own a home

Millennials: πŸ˜†
Zoomers: πŸ˜‚
Alpha: 🀣
Whateverthefuckcomesnext: πŸ’€

[–] BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 year ago

own a home

Too bad boomers ruined my best chance at that.

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have a child and own a home, and am a member of the lost generation. Fuck the Republican Party and any conservative who believes their selfish bullshit should outweigh the greater good of others.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Republicans are fascists, not conservatives.

Democrats are the conservative party.

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[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Having to mow the lawn is the first step in the pipeline of fascism

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[–] BleepBlip@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have heard this my entire life and now that I recently have kids and a home, I find it to be an insane take. If anything, the greater my knowledge of the world becomes the MORE liberal I am. I'm significantly more aware of rigged systems and injustice as I age.

[–] Fuck_u_spez_@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reality has a liberal bias.

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In order to be conservative you have to be afraid, irrationally. Afraid your guns will be taken, afraid the gays are going to out-breed you (not even kidding, they really "think" that), afraid what you want won't be what everyone does, afraid other people are smarter or more capable, afraid that when you die you won't get magicked somewhere to live forever. Basically afraid of everything whether it makes any sense or not. And afraid someone else will find out how afraid you are all the time.

They're pathetic and not fit to walk a dog much less run anything.

[–] essellburns@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of that specific brand of conservatism is very American. While everywhere has conservatives, and I totally agree they're build on a foundation of personal fear, they have very different presentations in different places!

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[–] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My old man has told me this my whole life and I always tell him no, because I'm not a cunt. 42yo so far and still going strong.

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[–] pottedmeat7910@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I remember a high school friend's father saying something to me like, "You'll get more conservative when you start paying taxes." This was around 1993-1994 or so.

I'm 45 now, modestly wealthy, and pay plenty of taxes. I can't envision ever voting for a Republican for any public office ever again...and the current circus of bullshit around TFG just seals that deal for me.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago

They only became more conservative because the party used to be somewhat sensible but also used a bit of nostalgia in their campaigning. Now they just use hatred and nostalgia for times where you could openly be hateful. More flies with honey and all that.

Also as someone who is in a not great position, thanks for voting and caring. Selfishly I ask that you especially listen to help for disabled folks. I am in a really bad position and its hard to get out of it because so few people care. When people don't care then they don't think about it when voting and we end up in worse positions. Disability benefits, where I am anyway, are stagnated and haven't risen alongside inflation in 30 years while rent/food costs have exploded. Minimum wage isn't a livable wage and disability here gets less than minimum wage.

Sorry for the ramble. Been a harsh couple days.

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[–] Boi@reddthat.com 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was actually more right wing as a kid. Now that I've learned some things about the world that's when I became a left leaning liberal.

[–] pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Went from voting far right in 2017 (fucking welfare abusers ) to far left in 2022 (fuckibg corporations costing three times more than welfare) kek

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[–] tillary@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boomers got more conservative as they grew older because they've been eating shovels of propaganda since reagan and never learned how to fact check like younger generations

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Don’t forget the leaded gas fumes and rampant racism!

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[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The older I get, the more liberal I get.

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Just turned 38 and from an ultra conservative household, every since I broke the indoctrination I've just gotten more and more liberal

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[–] TheRealGChu@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

GenXer. I've gotten more progressive. I used to consider myself a moderate dem back in the 90s. On the other hand, the 90s moderate dem is now considered a commie woke libtard, so shrug? Shocking that I want justice for all, fair wages, end systemic racism, end homophobia, etc. So librul! I'm destroying Western society! Oh wait, I'm a POC immigrant woman, course I'm destroying America!

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[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

I've gained empathy as I've gotten older. The literal opposite of conservatives

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate it when boomers, specifically, say this. My grandfather, who is Silent Generation, will tell you that he’s gotten more liberal as he’s gotten older. Whenever I hear a boomer say this, it’s used as a shaming, like β€œyou don’t understand now but you will when you’re older”. Turns out I haven’t gotten more conservative. I listened to minority populations and then came out and it’s turned me more leftist.

[–] Domille@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Boomers, in general, are a generation of spoiled children that, for the most part, have never seen the true hardships of any other generation. "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." Boomers are the weak men that created hard times for the following generations, yet they keep living and consuming as if our world wasn't dying. "Fuck you, got mine" I guess.

[–] unfnknblvbl@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, same. It's also part of their mindset that "progressive = immature" which I've always found really confusing.

Yes, the idea that my taxes should be spent for the benefit of all is immature. Gotcha.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (9 children)

That might have been true decades ago, but now people have:

  • Greater access to knowledge, and are forced to think more critically about what they consume.
  • More extreme views, which picks off the weak.
  • Most importantly, older people had stuff. They owned houses, had stable, life-long careers, and had settled down before they hit their thirties.

People in their mid to late thirties nowadays might have a fancier job title, but many of them are still struggling like they were before. It's hard to be protectionist when you have nothing but your life to protect...

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Add Less Lead Exposure. Empathy is a function of the brain and lead damages it.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I think it's your third point, mostly. Maybe even as sharply stated as: boomers became more conservative as the system and status quo brought them wealth, comfort, and security, so naturally they wanted to keep that going. For the generations that have followed, the system and status quo have only continued to bring those benefits to the boomers, not to them, so they're less likely to trend conservative to perpetuate a system that has failed them.

Additionally, in the years since the boomers came of age, the political right has moved away from a traditional conservative platform to a very extreme and hateful version of itself. Even if many millennials had shifted slightly to the right as they aged, the party typically associated with conservatism has moved so much farther to the right that even with their gradual shift, these millennials are still far closer to the left, or at least to "not whatever the right is saying".

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[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 33 points 1 year ago

Eat the rich at any age

[–] BarryZuckerkorn@beehaw.org 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Young people tend to be more persuadable before 30, and tend to bake in their political views around that age. So big events in one's 20's tend to lead to lasting partisan affiliations for life after that.

FDR's presidency won over a lot of people to the Democrats in the 30's and 40's. Eisenhower's presidency shifted people over to Republicans in the 50's. Nixon pushed people away from Republicans. But by the 70's Democrats were losing a lot of voters, and then Reagan won a bunch of people over to the GOP. Then 9/11 won people over to Republicans, while the Iraq war pushed them away.

But each of these things had an outsized effect on those under 30. So Boomers who remember getting fed up with Democrats in the 70s and crossing over for Reagan (and then voting Republican in every election since) just thought it was the effect of age, rather than the effect of that particular political moment in 1980.

And even though this data and the analysis is mainly for Americans, it's probably reflective of how people shape their own political beliefs everywhere.

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[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The older phrase used to be "You become more right wing when you get older", whereas it's quite likely it was missing the specific cause, which was "You become more right wing when you stop learning". [Edit] Typo

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The older I get, the more socialist I become.

[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

41, stable finances, kid, decent job, and still BETTER DEAD THAN RED!

And just to be 100% clear, since I know that phrase meant something completely different 50 years ago, Republicans can get ass-fucked with a spoon

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You become conservative when you lose ability to adapt and learn, thereby yearning for the days when you were you were younger and, as you mostly falsely remember, "times were simpler", which is a delusion caused by the different lifestyle and world perception you used to have. Now you're just older and scared because you forgot to keep up with the times.

[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (17 children)

My afternoons at 18: sips tea reading Noam Chomsky’s Failed State

My afternoons at 30: sips vodka reading Unabomber’s Manifesto

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"people get more selfish and small minded as they age, that's just a fact!"

[–] electric_soldier@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

51, still not a conservative

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's only if your wealth increases with age. If you had nothing in your 20s and still have nothing in your 30s and 40s, you'd stay mad

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago

I'm 44 and my wealth has increased a lot with age, but I still understand I'm financially closer to a homeless crackhead than I am to someone like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk. I'm more mad than ever because I see how badly most people are getting fucked. And the whole destroying the planet for profit thing.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My friends who have kids now did become more conservative. But most of them are very religious and grew up going to church every Sunday. So... I think they might have had a certain influence.

[–] full_on_rapist@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

After I had kids I found Satanism and became a communist. I have no idea what your friends are doing but they're doing it wrong.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People become more conservative once they actually accumulate wealth that they can use, and don't want policies passed that will reduce that wealth.

Millennials and younger generations have not the opportunity to generate the same amount of wealth by their 30's or even their 40's as Boomers had.

Therefore leftism and liberalism will be more predominant in these younger generations.

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I'm 43. I keep moving further left.

[–] Defenestrator@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

First there would need to be something worth conserving.

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