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~500 comments about our instance and admins in the past week. Talk about needing to touch some grass...

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 106 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What do you expect? There's a reason everyone who has a desire to maintain their sanity has defederated from them.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

There's some good peeps there and they help in keeping the crypto-fash in check. But their clannishness is unchecked.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 48 points 6 months ago (8 children)

they help in keeping the crypto-fash in check

Unless your users at large are crypto fascists I don't think you need crypto authoritarians to keep crypto fascists in check.

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[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Do we really need their help keeping fascists in check? Problem is hexbears consider everyone who's not on ml or hexbear to be an ipso facto fascist, and act accordingly. There's zero room in their ideology for anyone with more moderate political views. I'd say the majority of our users are probably left leaning, but unless they happen to want the violent destruction of the western liberal democracies, then they just aren't left enough for hexbears to accept.

Having said all that, I feel like we've managed to successfully remove most of the overt political trolling from hexbear on our instance lately, so our own communities aren't too affected. But they really hate the fact we've been clamping down on them.

I'll also acknowledge the majority of hexbear's users don't go trolling. They seem to have a bunch of well meaning people who are focussed on community building, a bunch of political history/theory enthusiasts, and a bunch of awful trolls who are just there for the lulz. You can see in their own modlogs that there's tensions within their instance between those groups.

So, it's a complicated situation to deal with, and depending which groups you interact with, you might have a very different experience. From my own experience I'd say the bad far outweighs the good though.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago

I think it's because you and me face the brunt of their ire for trying to defend our instance inside their toxic comms, and that colors our perspective. But I try to step out of this and see things less personally when it affects more than just me. Just my take. I generally appreciate having the chance to be challenged from the left on occasion. None of us is perfect at the end of the day.

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[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 25 points 6 months ago

Hexbear and lemmygrad are the only instances I blocked in-client, and it was a drastic instant improvement.

[–] Painfinity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Hey db0 and mods!

Since you're just humans and we never know if the insults are slowly getting to you or you're just having doubts, I want to give a voice to the lurkers in here and reiterate one thing: I feel exceptionally well taken care of in this instance! I'm extremely happy to be a part of it, I don't even know what a downtime is and I don't see much drama or toxicity if any at all. I'm simply loving Lemmy (yes, seriously!), I'm loving my time on it and I can just focus on following the communities I'm passionate in, which is the main point of Lemmy. I'm also aware that this does not happen without considerable hard work from the people behind it. So while I'm sure most of it goes unnoticed, I hope to at least convey with this that it's not taken for granted or unappreciated in the slightest bit. A very big thanks to you all (and I try to donate where I can) <3

As for my personal experience, whenever a hexbear post makes it into my feed it's mostly an overly aggressive political take or straight up trolling. It reminds me of the League of Legends kind of humour: It's supposed to be a joke, but it's not explicitly spelled out that it's a joke and it attacks the individual. It's a mix of aggressive trolling and just straight up toxicity. You just never know if you're supposed to take it serious or not. But I personally like to have a choice if I eventually want to block them or not, and I feel like having a choice is one of the common threads between FOSS, Linux, the fediverse, self-hosting, piracy and so on.

But, while I do appreciate this, it isn't crucial to my experience on Lemmy. So, if at any time this balance is taking too much of a toll on you guys, it wouldn't be a big deal for me if we would "lose contact" with hexbear. Last thing I want is to slowly cook your sanity bit by bit, with each passing day a bit more, over something that is frankly not that important. I'd rather prefer you focus on what you love doing, be that doing technical stuff, improving the instance, memeing around, learning new stuff or simply discussing things with other people in peace. Life is much too short to argue with people, and over the internet it's even worse!

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 months ago

Hey matey. Your comment is much appreciated! Thanks for taking the time.

[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Feels really good to read that. Thank you!

I don't think they cook our sanity bit by bit. We all are pretty resilient and take a good chuckle whenever something like this happens.

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[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh so I'm not the only one. The users on Hexbear are always angry for some reason.

[–] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (20 children)

That's because it's a toxic community

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Hey I remember when I got temp sitebanned from db0 for getting too spicy about trans rights in some transphobic .world or shitjustworks thread, as much as I don't like tankies they seem to be correct about this instance also having shit politics in some ways. Yet I'm still here because I'd like to think broadly as leftists we all agree on more things than we disagree on.

How about instead we all chill on the infighting and all touch some grass and stay out of each other's way?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think they want the drama/attention

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know who you mean by 'they' here (Hexbears? Db0? Mods?), but don't give it to them. Ez.

Edit: FYI the guy below who got banned and his comment removed was saying the admin of db0 wanted attention btw. My roflcopter goes soi soi soi.

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[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 32 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Drama like this is exactly why I laugh when people say its better on lemmy than reddit, its just a different flavor of the same shit when you're on All.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

you put a whole two people in a room and you'll get drama sooner or later. In this regard every place will be the same. At least we more actual people to have drama with, with reddit getting closer and closer to the dead Internet uh, practice (no longer a theory)

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[–] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 months ago (10 children)

It's honestly sad, almost to the point where defederating from them would be better

But I'm sure we'd be loosing good people from hexbear too

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Eh, I don't plan on defederating over such drama. They see some value in some of our users and we see some value in some of their users and we can ban the red-fash apologists and disinfo peddlers if they become a problem.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I've never had a positive interaction with anyone on that instance.

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[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I had to join a defederated server after the mods sent hexbear users my way to harass he after a I reported users for harassment....

As someone no longer part of their drama, yall should defederate.

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's funny how butthurt they always get about the simplest shit. It's kinda hilarious.

Their instance has always been blocked on my end since the second lemmy added the instance block feature, but since that only gets rid of posts, my individual user block list has grown to about 40 hb users by now. Life gets better every time I add one to it. I hopped over there for a second and saw them gloating about banning you from their instance like it was some huge win. And then shitting on db0 because they're "not real pirates" because they.... don't support dictatorships or something? Lol wtf?

Do not ever try to reason with them because you are burning your breath. I am surprised you have tolerated them this long. Quite literally, the only thing that can ever be done with hardcore radical trolls is blocking or defederating. Removing their voice always hurts them the most, because their only source of energy is controversy.

I think the rest of us reasonable folk really love what you do here db0. This has been by far the most stable, cleanest instance I've been on so far, and i've tried 3 or 4 of them. don't let the assholes try and pull you down for not kowtowing to their weird ideology. Keep it up!

Edit: And as expected, the downvote brigade is monitoring this post, lol.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 20 points 6 months ago (12 children)

I've blocked, like, 5 HexBear users and then haven't seen a single shitty post or comment from that instance since. Either they are all banned from the other instances/communities, or it's really only 5 dickheads.

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[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

to be honest: hexbear is an awful instance, and to me absolutely nothing would be lost if we just defederated from them. they are a constant source of drama, are awfully quick with the banhammer if they get criticized, and have cultivated an echo chamber that makes any meaningful discussions with them impossible. comparing them to lemmygrad is more than valid, and noone bats an eye when someone defederates from that cesspool.

i'm really for keeping as many doors as possible open, but the big question is if we really want the door open to an openly authoritarian and for the most part radicalized community. looking at the comments here, i can see that i am not the only one who thinks this way.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I'm glad that v19 of Lemmy introduced user-facing instance block settings. Just block hexbear and move on.

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[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Also the Lemmy.ml admins when you call Hexbear accounts tankies

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Or lemmy.ml mods when you say something mildly critical of China or Russia.

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't see them. I've blocked them all several months ago. Thankfully.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

Is this getting brigaded? Lmao the downvotes

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Have you read the comments? Plenty of people think this is silly evidently, it's not brigading when a lot of dbz users are hexbear users also

Upvoted comment here:

I don’t care for the drama on Hexbear. And I don’t care for it here either. This post is drama baiting.

That's a reasonable sentiment to me

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[–] clergywomenpro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I think a lot of our users on dbzero are genuinely confused why our admin keeps posting about this, ngl. They're also talking smack on their Matrix channel for some reason despite saying that they think more about us than vice-versa.

It honestly looks like he wants/likes the drama to me.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait what do you you mean "keeps posting"? This is the only thing I've posted about hexbear for months!

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[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't care for the drama on Hexbear. And I don't care for it here either. This post is drama baiting.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

These threads are so fuckin' weird from my instance. They keep coming up like clockwork every couple weeks.

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

I have them blocked personally, awful server

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