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Biden calls U.S. ally Japan 'xenophobic,' along with China and Russia (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (3 children)

“Think about it,” he said. “Why is China stalling so bad economically? Why is Japan having trouble? Why is Russia?”

“Because they’re xenophobic,” he said. “They don’t want immigrants.”

Show me what he said that was incorrect.

Japan has never welcomed immigrants, and they’ve been hovering on the brink of recession since 1990. Of the three countries he mentioned, Japan is probably suffering the most economically because of their lack of immigrant labor (while China and Russia are suffering for other reasons in addition to their lack of immigrants).

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is one thing I actually like about Biden: He sometimes says weird shit out loud that's not actually wrong, but isn't something that people in politics will ever say for obvious reasons.

E.g. the interview where he said we might have to get rid of Erdogan, or the thing of if you support Trump "you ain't black," or this. It is the honest version of "He tells it like it is!" that idiots say about Trump. He really does just open his mouth sometimes and some weird honest shit comes out. It's very unusual for a politician.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm having trouble identifying the falsehood. Japan's awesome in many ways, but they still have a long way to go to combat xenophobia there.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I read the headline and my first thought was "and? Japan is practically legendary for xenophobia". Talk with literally anyone who doesn't look Japanese who has spent any time in Japan and they'll have at least one story of a time they were discriminated against for not "being Japanese" even if they've lived there their entire lives. They're usually fairly polite about it, but they're absolutely xenophobic (with a healthy dose of low key racism).

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Japan is one of those countries I'd really like to visit at some point, but as a 6'3" white dude, I know full well I'm gonna stick out like a sore thumb and almost certainly be on the receiving end of some xenophobia there. That's fine, I can deal with it, and there are so many awesome things to see and do in Japan that I'm confident the experience would be extremely positive, but it's still something on my mind.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

The good news such as it is, is that they're not really malicious about it. This isn't the US style "we don't like your kind around these parts", so much as it is "how cute, the silly foreigner thinks he's people". They probably won't even say anything negative to you, they'll just side eye you and bad mouth you behind your back, maybe pretend not to understand what you're saying even if you're speaking perfect Japanese. Not that everyone in Japan is that way of course, but it's very common there.

If you're just visiting, particularly if you stick to the touristy parts, you probably won't have any problems at all. It's really only once you try to stay for more than a week or two and start having to do normal day to day stuff like trying to establish a bank account, or taking a daily commute that the xenophobia really kicks in.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's an ozma post. It isn't about facts or accuracy. It's about attacking biden as much as possible. Pushing accelerationism, with the purpose of getting more people hurt. Rather than actually helping anyone.

[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seriously. Ozma is obnoxious.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you assume that they actually do want to end the genocide and make things better. You'd be hard pressed to find a way to go about it worse than they have. Alienating people who would otherwise be allies.

Every once in awhile they post an article that I can sort of get behind. But I don't feel that I can up vote it simply because of who they are.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most of the articles that aren't anti Biden are anti US in general from what I've seen. It's frustrating because I don't want to give them oxygen but don't want to cede the space.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yes those tend to be slightly more accurate. There is plenty in American policy to be against even as an American.

I think most of us here are fairly lefty. Like to believe were better informed, and not vulnerable to misinformation and propaganda like others. But it isn't the case. There are plenty falling for it. Part of human nature, we all question things that validate our biases less.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I mean yeah but glass houses my dude

[–] dharwin@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

He's not wrong. But you know, there are some things you just don't say. I don't call my wife fat.