US intelligence believes Putin probably didn't order Navalny to be killed, Wall Street Journal reports : worldnews

[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 11 points 6 months ago

he was probably quite happy with knowing his opposition leader and having them controlled that way

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, Putin never ordered the death of anyone. Some Russians just have shitty windows and are extra susceptible to the effects of gravity. They didn't choose to be pre-disposed to falling to their deaths. They were just born that way. What are you gonna do?

/s

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 months ago

It could also be some other, lower down Kremlin guy who wanted him dead. Unfortunately this won't load for me, so I can't comment too much.

[–] MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Did he say, "Kill this man," no, probably not.

Did he say, "Take care of this problem," I'm willing to bet.

[–] card797@champserver.net 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean. Being locked in a Russian prison is not good for your health. The system is working as intended.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 17 points 6 months ago

It's actually preferable for Putin for a few different reasons if it's simply a slow death because of unlivable conditions, than to have someone take him out back and shoot him quickly or something like that.

But yes, the system is working 100% as intended; this is a feature.

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Over six thousand prisoners died behind bars in America during 2020. It turns out that prisons are awful places with awful conditions that lead to people's death.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Obligatory Mitchell and Webb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome journalist?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

alright that was an unexpected turn of events. would the US even have reason to lie about this? i take its better for them if they can have more reason to paint putin in a negative light.

who wanted navalny dead then and why?

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Gotta gather support for funding and hate for Russia somehow. As far as why or how he ended up dead who knows. Wouldn't surprise me if it was a false flag

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

Putin wanted him to die a painful slow death in jail. He instead got a painful less slow death in jail.

[–] Olifant@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

I never thought he specifically ordered the killing blow but given that he did order him jailed in cruel conditions under a ton of bogus charges Navalny's death is on his head either way.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

Putin likely ordered him to be kept in such conditions that he will die because of that.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's surprising that he even survived as long as he did after taking nerve gas.

Regardless, I sure as hell won't be complaining about a racist like Navalny dying

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Imma press X to doubt

[–] HowMany@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 months ago

Riiiiiignt....

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[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Putin is every bit as bad as claimed. If you don't see that, you're fucking blind. Navalny was only in prison to begin with because Putin is a thin-skinned shitheel that can't handle even a modicum of criticism.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

I can’t speak to why Navalny was in prison, I only know that he was a fascist who wanted to invite US capitalists back to resume their neoliberal shock therapy plundering that started under Yeltsin and ended under Putin.

2007: Video: Alexei Navalny Compares Muslims to Cockroaches
BBC, 2021: Amnesty [International] strips Alexei Navalny of 'prisoner of conscience' status
Workers World, 2024: Who was Alexei Navalny? A violent white supremacist and fascist on U.S. payroll

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes we just love us some dictators uwu 🙄 Copypasta from a previous conversation:

Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?

In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.

Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

Robert Parry, 2015: The Mess that Nuland Made

Jeffery Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems -2 points 6 months ago

I agree entirely that Russia is liberating Ukraine like they did with Georgia... if you replace liberating with vassalizing.

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