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Trump denies the affairs at the heart of the hush-money case. Almost no one believes him. (www.motherjones.com)
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[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 85 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The case literally has zero to do with an affair. The alleged affair could be a complete fabrication. The point of the case is that Trump directed his lawyer to use money for XYZ. Trump then put that money down on the ledger as ABC. That he claimed it was ABC and not XYZ is the entire point of the case.

The WHY he decided to commit fraud is a nice detail but literally has zero bearing on if Trump actually did the whole I said the money was for ABC but it was really for XYZ.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I thought that they are pursuing him for election law violations and if they prove that he made the payment to help his campaign then the other charges of falsifying business records carry more weight since it was done to cover up a crime.

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You’re both right. The reason the ABC/XYZ thing matters, and is tied to the presidency, is because the money came from campaign contributions and the ABC/XYZ are things you’re allowed to spend campaign funds on and things you aren’t.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I thought the argument was that it was for the campaign, because it was meant to help his chances of getting elected, but wasn't reported as a campaign expense, which is a campaign violation.

If he had just said the reimbursement was a campaign expense, which probably would have been counter productive to his desire to cover it up, he would not be in hot water now.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The WHY he decided to commit fraud is a nice detail but literally has zero bearing on if Trump actually did the whole I said the money was for ABC but it was really for XYZ.

Actually this isn't true, the why is very central to the case. The prosecution's argument is that the "why" is that it would've been damaging to his campaign. That is what links it to the campaign finance law, and what makes it a felony offense. This is an element that they will need to prove in court.

The falsifying business records piece is pretty much a slam dunk.

[–] girthero@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The case literally has zero to do with an affair

I would think it has relevance to establish intent to commit fraud. I'm not a lawyer so no idea if motive matters for this sort of crime.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

They have motive to suppress the story, true or not. So whether the affair actually happened is of little consequence when it comes to proving motive or intent.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you. I think the media is handling it all wrong, it is a business fraud case, not a "hush-momey" case. However, I can see the prosocutions strategy. Hurt his ego, and he will react poorly in the eyes of the court and jury, let him purger himself, give him enough rope and he might just hang himself (in a legal sense).

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"hush-momey"

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Im leaving the typo, its funnier.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Why is he even bothering with it? Having an affair is not illegal and this is not what this case is about.

The case is about falsifying business records to cover another crime.

[–] WhatsThePoint@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Because selling bibles as the second coming of Jesus Christ seems to be working for him. His supporters love his fantasy world, he’s try to make himself seem even more “crucified for them.”

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I'm not convinced he knows what this case is about.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It might void his pre-nup

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago

Wouldn't that be beautiful

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Actually having an affair is illegal in some jurisdictions.

https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-16-states-where-its-illegal-cheat-your-wife-1887307

[–] dyathinkhesaurus@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

So if he didn't sleep with them, and these aren't some sort of out of court settlement payments, what was he giving them the money for?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stormy mentioned that Trump has a tiny mushroom dick. She also argued that if this wasn't true, he would 100% call a press conference, drop his pants, and say "see, it's not true".

Not exactly an argument that would hold up in court, but I can't argue with the logic otherwise.

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

If he sued her for slander, I imagine the size would be revealed in discovery. Probably why he hasn't sued her for slander.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m confused why not one believes him.

The man hasn’t told a single lie in his life.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 3 points 6 months ago

He is practically the George Santos of Presidents… excluding astronaut-president Santos, of course.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

How can anyone believe a guy that obviously lies every time he opens his mouth?

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Surely the man chosen by God himself to save the country from the evil Satanist cabal doesn't lie constantly. /s

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Anyone thathinks the orange pathological liar is chosen one of god is more deluded than he is

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Only his followers and just about every GOP politician believe him.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

*claim to believe him

[–] AnAnonymous@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Source: trust me bro

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

I believe you!