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[–] takeheart@lemmy.world 100 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Let us hope that one day the US, or any democracy for that matter, will come together to implement ranked choice voting.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago (21 children)

Until that day, let’s hope people recognize that there really are only two votes that will end up counting. I still regret voting for Nader when Bush stole the election in 2000.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let’s also hope that people realize voters who don’t vote far outnumber third-party voters.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

There should be some improved turnout in the 18-24 range now that abortion and marijuana are on the ballot in several states this November.

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[–] CopernicusQwark@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

or any democracy for that matter

Australia sends its regards.

It is really nice knowing that I can safely vote for our "green" party without risking our conservative party getting in because the centre-left party loses too many votes.

Also, voting being mandatory (and very accessible) and on a Sunday for federal elections is such a game changer for ensuring participation.

Hopefully you guys can get reforms in at some point.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Low voter turnout benefits the Republican Party in the US because conservatives are more consistent voters. Reform requires 60 votes in the Senate out of 100. That makes it almost impossible because one of the major parties is not interested in reform.

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[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Most countries with presidential systems have two-round voting which is effectively very close to ranked choice voting. That’s why e.g. Macron’s new party could immediately win the presidency.

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They also count one vote as one vote instead of this electoral college BS

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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 52 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The first Trump criminal trial starts tomorrow. Trump's fundraising is being crushed by Biden. RNC is hurting for cash and what is there is being gobbled up by Trump's lawyers. Down ballot candidates will have zero assistance.

Republicans are facing the most devastating defeat in their history. Polling has been garbage for two election cycles. Just look at the writing on the wall. Trump is running on fumes and it's only going to get worse.

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 92 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Not voting is a vote for the candidate you don't like.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The neat part is that, for me, voting is also a vote for the candidate I don't like.

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[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

All of the above appears to be true. Trump is being slammed both in court and out, and Trump's fundraising is going to his legal bills while Biden's getting more money and needing to spend it on fewer things. The early polls were scary, for sure, but Bidens numbers are improving, possibly because we're getting more real pollsters in the polling, possibly because less invested people are tuning into the election and realising that as much as the past 4 years sucked, Trump's handling of COVID and his approach to governing are much worse.

Still. We need to be careful with 'we've got this in the bag' thinking. We don't call TFG 'Teflon Don' for nothing. That guy's got more lives than a cat, and is wileyer than a fox. And you know what he's going to do based on what he's accusing other people of doing. We have got to turn out in exceptional numbers and UTTERLY CRUSH TRUMP at the poll box. Even then, we may need to brush up on our self-defence skills because I wouldn't put it past Trump and his backers to actually start an honest-to-goodness coup complete with guns and armies if he loses it. I'm not going to rest until Biden is reinaugurated in 2025...

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree 100%. But also I think that a politics board on Lemmy is mostly going to be populated with folks who don't need to be told to vote no matter what. Local races are still important. And as you point out, winning by the biggest margin possible is important so even if polling has Biden with a 20 point margin, we've got to turn out and push it even higher. Plus local races are honestly more important to folks' day to day than who is President.

So absolutely everyone vote, but that message will be more important as the election gets closer and mostly in places that aren't full of politics nerds.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Polls are wildly conflicting. A recent Rasmussen survey found that Biden trails Trump regardless of third-party candidates.

In a two-way contest between Biden and Trump, 49% of likely US voters said they would choose Trump, and 41% would vote for Biden. That was a marginal increase for Trump since February, when he led by six points.

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Rasmussen polls always tilt a few points slightly Republican for some reason. It's not necessarily malicious, but something in their methodology.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I refuse to believe it’s not by design. They’ve known the issue for years and others have produced far less biased polling

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

Rasmussen is so dodgy that 538 dropped them from their models.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They used to call landlines, which most polling outlets gave up since that will always tilt the results older/conservative.

Not sure if that's still their process, but with the wide gap here, i'm betting it is.

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[–] trslim@pawb.social 5 points 5 months ago

Most people younger than 40 dont answer phones, so i assume thats probably part of it.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“This poll run by far right people says Biden is losing!” Shocker lol. They’re always skewed R

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I really fucking hate that third-party candidates are seen as "danger". Fuck plurality voting, STAR voting now.

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