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[–] anti_antidote@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agile is legitimately good and is the bar for how software should be built as a team. Enterprise scrum is objectively bad and I don't understand how anyone gets any amount of work done under it.

[–] quicken@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago

A good summary. Maybe enterprise any framework? SAFe, Spotify or whatever the agency has trademarked

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I quite enjoyed reading Scrum: The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time. It’s not the book that people are mad at, it’s the shitty implementation of what management thinks scrum is. Because they never read the book.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thing is that when practically everybody ends up with a shitty implementation of scrum, maybe it is a problem with the methodology after all. At the very least this indicates that it's hard to get right in practice. I've worked on teams with certified scrum masters who went through training courses, and it was still shit.

[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the methodology is fine and it certainly isn’t complex. It’s just difficult to start using it when the corporate culture isn’t able to adapt and change it’s structures, that’s the hard part. Also a topic in the book.

Scrum is "bottom up" and the scrum master doesn’t manage anyone or anything, they are there to serve the team and get rid of obstacles. The team is empowered. If there’s a "manager" for the team, that’s already a mistake. That role doesn’t exist in scrum.

[–] whitewall@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You misspelled capitalism there.

[–] whitewall@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[–] anarchist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Oh but you just aren't doing scrum tm right!!!!

/s

[–] ensignrick@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I scrum. You scrum. He she me scrum. Scruming. Scrumology. It's first grade SpongeBob.

I for one just look at my sprint and scrum meetings as pie in the sky goals and just keep working on the task I'm doing with the sprint goals as a "lol". If I was to follow the sprint goals and deadlines nothing would be working correctly.

[–] wellnowletssee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This sounds like poor communication between dev and PO.

[–] jadegear@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends. I've had plenty of tough calls with management laying out the impossibility of desired schedules only to have the Jira board estimates fudged in their favor, or similar, which puts pressure on the team to deliver on timelines they never would have estimated for themselves.

Ultimately it's a question of who's working by whose estimates.

Management not admitting time estimates from dev, management not willing to understand dev estimates (to maybe find a smaller solution together) and/or dev committing to not reachable deadlines are not scrum problems.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Kanban is love, kanban is life

Scrum uncovers problems the organisation was not aware of before which is why it has such a bad reputation. „What do you mean I can’t push my feature requesting in to dev when ever I want? I thought we are agile?“

[–] PreviouslyAmused@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

This just became a fucking job …