one of the stupidest things in hindsight was when you'd talk to people about nationalizing healthcare you'd get bullshit like "you wouldn't want the government controlling your healthcare" and the reality is the fake "small government" advocates will absolutely control your healthcare. They just want to take a little off the top while they do it and they want to be able to deny you healthcare.
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Death panels are apparently okay as long as they're making decisions that benefit shareholders.
Yeah, the government controls your health care whether or not they're actually running the hospitals.
Plus, the GOP loves statements like that because they actively sabotage the government. While far from perfect, plenty of countries are capable of adequately running public health care systems, along with plenty of other government programs (roads, prisons, education, national defense, etc). The GOP's whole strategy is to purposefully break systems and then point at the broken system and claim that this is why we need to privatize it. Government run programs are just as good as the government as a whole, and the GOP are poisoning the US government.
One of the core principles of Republican thought is "no one tells me what to do. I tell other people what to do." Everything else follows from that.
Well that and the "in groups for laws to protect but not bind, outgroups for laws to bind but not protect " thing.
I think it's more that they want to privatize everything that isn't and keep private all that is. Getting the government taxes in their pockets is the only strategy. "All that money for me and none for thee"
Always pissed me off because if you have to choose do you want an unelected corporation concerned primarily with profits controlling access to your healthcare or one where you have the ability to vote them out?
Just a moronic talking point all the way down.
It isn't about healthcare.
It isn't hipocritical.
They simply want to control you.
Especially if you are a woman.
Mmm…and for certain populations control isn’t the goal, extermination is seen as the next logical step.
All thanks to allowing money and religion in politics. The GOP has a gullible, moronic, discriminatory, bigoted and mostly racist base to pander to for votes and money.
Now after decades of weakening voter rights in multiple ways and infecting the judiciary they've moved to openly pandering to Christian Nationals, Nazis and fascists.
The GOP is for all intents and purposes an enemy of the state and a terrorist organization. They stand for all that is not American and certainly not righteous.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Wednesday night’s debate, which featured eight of the leading not-Donald-Trump candidates for the Republican nomination, spent little time on health care except for an extended exchange on abortion, covered in depth by Vox’s Rachel Cohen.
Abortion — which Fox moderator Martha MacCallum cast as a “losing” political issue for Republicans ever since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade — led to a contentious exchange in which former South Carolina Gov.
Transgender rights and the myriad conservative laws passed in the past few years to restrict access to gender-affirming care were referenced only obliquely in the debate but carried the same message.
More recently, most doctors have come to believe that such patients should be handled more humanely and affirmatively; permitting them to make a social gender transition (changing their name and pronouns, using a different bathroom, etc.)
“Trans advocates have pointed out that these bills fit comfortably within the larger GOP plan to seize minority power in an effort to force their preferred gender dynamics,” Burns wrote.
In one of the most striking tangents of the night, businessman Vivek Ramaswamy even advocated for reopening “mental health institutions” that have closed over the decades as the country sought to cut costs (starting in the Reagan administration) and tried — but has largely failed — to invest in more humane home- and community-based services.
The original article contains 1,667 words, the summary contains 223 words. Saved 87%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
I’m sorry, but I think that this bot really needs some work, or to move to a different engine. Every time I read the summary and then read the article, the bot has missed major points or the entire thrust of the article/opinion, and instead uses minutiae that contribute to the piece only in the presence of the original (but now stripped) context.
The central thesis of the article is that the gop wants to use healthcare policies to restrict healthcare that they feel has a conflict with their religious or conservative worldviews. They don’t want to guarantee the rights of trans persons or people seeking abortions against discrimination but instead want the government to regulate what kinds of healthcare are legal. They want to remove decisions from the hands of medical professionals and patients and instead have it regulated by government bureaucrats who lack any relevant education. On the other hand, they do not want the government - even the parts of the government that are intentionally staffed with medical experts - to make decisions about things like pandemic policies.
This kind of paragraph is far more characteristic of the tone and focus of the article than most of the summary:
But a few select moments revealed that GOP candidates, while perfectly comfortable interfering with certain medical decisions, remain opposed to using that same government authority to provide assistance to people who need access to health care or to protect people whose health may be at risk in a public health emergency.
The bot didn’t complete a sentence. 🤦♀️