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Nelson Peltz, the activist investor agitating to win two Disney board seats, criticized the company’s “woke” strategy — specifically questioning Marvel’s “Black Panther” and “The Marvels,” which featured Black and women leads, respectively.

The 81-year-old Peltz, who has admitted he “never claimed” to have experience in the media business, made the comments about “The Marvels” and “Black Panther” in a recent interview with the Financial Times. “Why do I have to have a Marvel [movie] that’s all women?” Peltz asked rhetorically. “Not that I have anything against women, but why do I have to do that? Why can’t I have Marvels that are both? Why do I need an all-Black cast?”

“Black Panther” does not have an all-Black cast, nor does “The Marvels” have an all-female cast.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 70 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Black Panther made a comical amount of money. The "Woke" strategy clearly worked.

[–] Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but old racists don’t like seeing Black people on screen, and that’s what’s really matters, doncha know.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

He's clearly never even watched either movie, so his perception of them is probably based entirely on some far-right media interpretation he saw

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"They literally whip white people and make them feel bad for what their ancestors did in that movie!"

  • their media source, probably
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[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  1. Because Disney/Marvel wants more women going to see MCU content. 2. Because it mostly takes place in Africa… And they want more black people going to see MCU content.

I thought this guy was a businessman. He should understand this stuff.

[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"Businessman" does not imply "smart" anymore. Not even "successful businessman". This is a good example.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did it ever?

It is synonymous with Capitalist, and we all know the requirement for that. Owning Capital.

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[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

See also: Twitter, any Trump property , Boeing, etc.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 60 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Why would anyone want an 81 year old racist on their board Question mark

[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 52 points 7 months ago (14 children)

All this ado about "woke" this and "woke" that by the snowflakes... Pathetic.

If Ridley Scott released Alien today snowflakes would have a complete meltdown—imagine that, a black man and two women (neither of whom look like teen anime waifus, the horror!) in a cast! And the roles were written as gender neutral, for crying out loud!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And one of the women survives!

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 12 points 7 months ago

The black dude doesn't die first, the women aren't damsels in distress and actually survive and, turns out one of the women is actually trans.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 49 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I see nothing wrong with all female or all PoC casts. Prey for instance (the Predator universe) has an excellent female lead and a great Native cast.

Also this guy is 81, why the hell is he trying to get on the Board of Disney? At that age, working would be the last thing I'd want to do.

[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because "working" on a board might require about 10 hours a month of your time, if that. You attend a couple of meetings where people tell you what they are working on, and then approve or reject the decisions they have made. And then you make bank.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For people like that power is everything.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 13 points 7 months ago (13 children)

I think Prey is the best predator movie of the bunch.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

I fucking love Prey. Such a good movie.

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[–] dharwin@kbin.social 41 points 7 months ago

I am sure this guy also calls out movies with all-white casts, right?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What’s the problem with a movie based on a fictional country in Africa with native peoples from the continent being all black?

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They should do what the comics did when there were complaints about not enough white people in Black Panther. Just start having Black Panther beat up the KKK.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

That’s a great idea.

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[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't really have an issue with it but that argument is kinda close to the people who demand that historical European movie have an all white cast.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm a PoC and I've never understood the complaint about historical European movies having all white casts. Tbh, I don't think it's a real thing, it's just a small minority of agitators who complain about it on Twitter. Lord of the Rings is my favorite movie series, and that's all white people and only three women lol.

It shouldn't be the only kinds of movies made. That's one issue. And alternative history like Bridgerton sounds fun, if they make it make sense, such as in Thor where Heimdall is black and the other guy is Asian, but they explain that they're aliens collected from a variety of planets and planes, and not actual Norse people.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

That's because the people who complain are idiots. There have been people of color in Europe for as long as there has been a Europe.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This turd is going for the "I'm not sexist, but" and "I'm not racist, but" combo record 🤦

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

LOL imagine being so narcissistic that you think that what you want matters to the public.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago

Somebody should ask this jackass why he needs a movie of all white men.

Answer: he's racist. (bonus question: why does he need them in tights?)

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

Why do Marvel fans need a board influenced by a bigoted idiot?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why do I need another marvel movie?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I for one don't.

C'mon. lets get back real scifi. Like the OG Day the Earth Stood Still in style. More drama. more social commentary and less...pew pew and tinfoil bikinis. For anybody whose not seen it... the 1950's version is a social commentary on mutually assured destruction and is still poignantly relevant today. (Also, you know the whole-Flying Saucer-lands-on-the-lawn cliche? yup. that's this movie.)

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago

Klaatu barada nikto!

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[–] SharkAttak@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago

You don't need them, what you need is to make a good movie.. if that has an all black or all female cast is irrelevant.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's so amazing that people put so much effort into bitching about something that they (checks notes) literally don't have to do anything about.

Do you know what I don't complain about? Childrens movies. Super hero movies. Romance movies. Foreign films.

I just... Don't watch them...

Hmm. What an odd concept. Don't watch what I don't want to see?? Preposterous! Every film maker must make what I personally want to see!

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You do not have to have anything. No one is forcing you to go to those movies and no one is forcing you to join Disney's board.

You may not like that there are Marvel movies lead by women or black people but too fucking bad. Especially the latter. Black Panther is a major cash cow.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

Yeah, this guy's entitlement with the "why do I have to" line was pretty disgusting. Why do you have to have cartoon movies about mermaids? Oh right, maybe that movie wasn't made for you 81-year-old white dude!

Racist/misogynist dog whistlers going to dog whistle I suppose.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Black Panther:

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1825683/?ref_=bo_se_r_1

DOMESTIC (51.9%) - $700,426,566
INTERNATIONAL (48.1%) - $649,499,517
WORLDWIDE - $1,349,926,083

Wakanda Forever:

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt9114286/?ref_=bo_se_r_2

DOMESTIC (52.8%) - $453,829,060
INTERNATIONAL (47.2%) - $405,379,776
WORLDWIDE - $859,208,836

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

Well you don't need to, but then someone else gets to make an iconic movie, rakes in some cash and maybe even some Oscars and Globes.

[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I watched "The man who knew too much" from the 50s yesterday. Doris Day might be the female role he likes. Obedient. Her husband tells her what to do, she is on a nervous breakdown constantly. Good times?

I prefer modern women anytime!!

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago

I didn’t have a need for “The Sound of Freedom” but I didn’t see you bitching about it.

[–] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

Black Panther is a significant contribution to black cinema (in its cultural significance, box office numbers, etc), but it is a single contribution to a long legacy of black cinema that didn’t start with Disney, and isn’t defined by a series of entertaining-but-insubstantial movies, or the current right wing myopia of the moment.

[–] pastabatman@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Why not though?

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ah, the next Ike Perlmutter. At least he wants "Marvels that are both", so seems to champion more transgender heroes. (I know transgender persons are not, or not always, both).

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 5 points 7 months ago

"But I have black women friends"

Peltzy probably.

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