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Google Search was so good when it came out. Complete polar opposite to the cluttered and bloated Yahoo Search. Haven't really using it for years now because the search results became worse and worse, especially when that rounded edge theme came along.
It is useless in searching for new info, I mostly use it for searching for things I already know/seen, but don’t want to bother with URLs or bookmarks.
Even then, I have to scroll to the middle of the page, to get to the actual results below all the sponsored crap.
No clutter, meant faster loading time, and that was important at the time. Nowadays, you can just type the search query to the address bar, but that wasn’t available back then. Initially, you didn’t even have one of those extra toolbars with a little search box, so loading the search page was the only way. If you do like 50 searches a day, those seconds spent on waiting the page to load really begin to add up.
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All the talk about how much computing power and electricity AI uses, and then Google and Bing just run it for every (most? many? some?) search.
Isn't it the training of the models which is the most energy intensive? whereas generating some text in answer to a question is probably not super intensive. Caveat: I know nothing
Yes training is the most expensive but it's still an additional trillion or so floating point operations per generated token of output. That's not nothing computationally.
Just consider how long it takes GPT4 to answer a question. Anywhere from a few seconds to a minute in my experience. There's at least one A100 at probably 400w going full throttle that whole time, plus all the supporting hardware.
oh that's that same shit that bing does that ends up filling the top quarter of my search results page with useless chatGPT garbage that doesn't help my search query (both my employer and my school have forced edge+bing as the standard browser and it makes me want to die)
As someone in IT I get an employer enforcing Edge (I don't do that, but I understand why an IT department might), but why would anyone enforce a specific search engine? That seems bonkers to me.
Well, it's the system default, and while you can change it during each session or manually browse to Google/DDG if you want, it will always reset the next time you log in.... I am incredibly lazy and 99% of the time will smash my super quick search into the omnibar and end up stuck with it until I eventually get mad enough at Bing to force keep a tab open with Google.
Ah, I see what you mean. That still sucks but at least you still have the (less convenient) option of using an alternative. I had understood it as being that they blocked everything but Bing.
you have my condolences :)
I'll be looking for a uBlockOrigin filter when it hits for me
I try to avoid google search when I can, but this should solve the problem for the rest of the time
Plenty of other search engine that need your attention 🫠
I wish that was the case but sadly most of them are basically Bing or Google frontends or belong to entities that I trust even less. As far as I can tell there are very few independent crawls out there.
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Duck duck gone.
This may actually be a net improvement to the Google Search experience, since the engine is borderline unusable without uBlock Origin. But also it feels weird that Google would make an AI generated prompt the focal point and not the entire rows of sponsored ads that litter all search results.
How did the big tech industry get this terminally stupid?
...the engine is borderline unusable without uBlock Origin.
~~Chris~~, would you elaborate more on this experience?
Update: Who's Chris? Curse you, speech to text.
I'm not Chris, but it's all the dang "sponsored" search results that populate when googling without using uBlock Origin.
Ive used UBO so long I forget regulwr people see a diffeent internet. Google results are still suffering.
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Almost every time I ask a direct question, the two AI answers almost always directly contradict each other. Yesterday I asked if vinegar cuts grease. I received explanations for both why its an excellent grease cutter, and why it doesn't because it's an acid.
I think this will be a major issue with AI. Just because it was trained on a huge wealth of knowledge doesn't mean that it was trained on correct knowledge.
Just because it was trained on a huge wealth of knowledge doesn't mean that it was trained on correct knowledge.
Which makes its correct answers and it's confidently wrong answers look as plausible as each other. One needs to apply real intelligence to determine which to trust, makikg the AI tool mostly useless.
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Showing different viewpoints in order to not appear biased. It's the cornerstone of democracy after all.
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It should be illegal to force people to use generative ai to do things it is not needed for.
Seeing Microsoft's plans to add ai to windows was the last straw that made me change to linux.
Nobody forces you to use Google, and frankly we should all take a little more time to degoogle our lives.
Startpage is what I use at the moment and it’s been fine. Am trying to decouple from the googs too.
Is amusing that bing moved their AI results to the bottom of the page.
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Half the top results are usually AI generated garbage anyway, don't see how a little more is going to hurt...
Bing does that shit and it's annoying.
Ecosia added ai chat which I think runs on the same thing as copilot. I don't see the point though and would like to be able to hide the ai chat option.
I got a Google Gemini "text message" in Google messages today. I couldn't find a way to turn it off, so I just blocked and reported it as spam lol
I'll add it to my list of reasons not to use google
Just give me back the results from the 00's era of google. They need to go backwards not ""forwards"".
Lol. The generated result that is incomplete and slower than the rest of the search. I usually scroll past it because it's not done generating. If it does generate fast enough, it's usually too vague or broad
Oh, Google though their search results weren't crappy enough, so the decided to make them even worse.
Well now what am I supposed to switch to after DuckDuckGo didn't give relevant results?
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"Start"
Bing used to do that already no?
I'm happy to have my own SearxNG instance...
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