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Polls show little support for attacks on corporations’ handling of environmental and social causes — even among Republicans.

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[–] Fpsfrank85@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I’m starting to think the culture war is starting to run its course.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Do not get complacent, however. That's how they actually kill things that are important.

[–] hydro033@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd think people would start to get exhausted at some point. Maybe Trump's arrest will mark an end to an era of shit.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most snakes die without their head.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they remain dangerous for a while after losing it.

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Well the side prosecuting the war certainly can't run very far without their motor scooters.

[–] whatisallthis@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really? Have you been on the internet?

Politics only mimics what the people are already interested in. And social media made the people interested in hating eachother. Until that changes politics won’t change.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The internet is a loud echo chamber and doesn't reflect what the majority thinks much of the time.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, this broader social justice movement has followed basically the same pattern as every other civil rights epoch seen in liberal democracies before it. Immediate moral panic is ultimately followed by rational conversations and democratic results. And then most people come out on the other side a bit more inoculated against bigoted or unjust ways of thinking.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think that is changing. We're more and more switching away from social media and as it dies politics should return to normal though that isn't to say normal is much better.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

This round, maybe. The whole thing is manufactured for political points, so now that being anti-woke isn't getting attention, they'll find a new thing to stir the pot.

[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Translation: Republicans are angry that “cancel-culture” doesn’t work for them.

Republicans love freedom so much they’ll take it away from you.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only freedom they care about is their own, including their freedom to silence and oppress anyone they disagree with; their freedom to be totalitarian dictators (e.g. Putin, CCP, NK).

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Politics that aren't about solving what actually ailes people are ineffective at grabbing voters attention? surprised Pikachu face

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but who's really going to go after that one?

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After years of failing to define what "woke" means and why they hate it, they've decided to pivot to blaming Obama on Hillary running in 2016.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely they should be happy that Hilary ran in 2016 given that she lost?

[–] Kahlenar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If Biden ran in 2016 he would have won.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This probably explains why Ramaswamy is pivoting to 9/11 trutherism - even that has a bigger audience than his railing against ESG investments.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If 9/11 was an inside job, it was Republicans who orchestrated it. What truth is he going on about, that he's on their side?

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The dude is nutty as a fruitcake. Don't expect a rational or internally consistent position from him.

If he had white skin he could be a real threat to trump.

[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is true in the UK as well - the right are still clinging to it like a comfort blanket while they're dying in the polls but it's clear that voters are more concerned (and have always been more concerned) with the cost of living crisis, housing and health.

It's the economy stupid...

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But solving those problems takes work, compromise and it's not sexy.

But shitting on certain groups of people is much easier, scary and gets you attention.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

It also costs the donors money and power, which is the ultimate no-no.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does Trump ever actually complain about “woke” stuff? I mean, I know he’s in the same party and it’s the “kind” of thing he would go after, but does he actually use the phrase “woke”? I wonder if the reason it’s not really gaining traction with anyone is bc their God-Emperor isn’t really priming them for it? DeSantis seems to be the major user of that and has tried to make “anti-wokeness” his whole personality, but nobody else seems to care.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Donald Trump is a classic narcissist to the extreme.

So no, he doesn't really talk much about the woke stuff compared to how often he talks about how amazing he is.

He did briefly around the time Desantis made it his personality.

But it's hardly a major component of his mouth flapping compared to his self-promotion.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

He does complain about 'woke' sometimes, but not as much as the others.

He claims he doesn't like the word, but...

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Will Hild, an anti-ESG leader who serves as the executive director of the nonprofit Consumers’ Research and a related spinoff group, said he feels like the average voter is increasingly becoming aware of ESG and its impact on society.

A suppprt of ESG:

“I don’t ever expect the average person to really understand the exact details of ESG and how it’s being manipulated,” he said. “I do think it’s probably going to be a climb. But I think the average person is increasingly cognizant that BlackRock and large asset managers are misusing funds.” said Josh Lichtenstein, a Ropes & Gray attorney who specializes in ESG issues. “The word ESG is becoming a proxy for progressivism.”

And back to Hild :

“I am still shocked at how much progress we’ve made,” Hild said. “I feel like the momentum is with us.”

(Ew)

So what I'm understanding from this is this is something Republicans are fighting likely do to lobbying and the problem really is that they don't have ESG to be a widespread enough negative term with their base. I can see why they are so concerned though. If you look it up ESG sure is some evil woke bullshit designed for tax evasion and money laundering and crime in general.