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I watch Adam Sandler in Spaceman, loved the film but hated the message (lemmy.today)
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Adam Sandler gets therapy from a giant time and space fairing psychic spider and comes to the realization that his dreams and his mission to advance human understanding was wrong and should have come second to consoling his wife about her uterus and other mammal instinctual bullshit.

Fuck you, spider. Mental health is important but I personally place the future of mankind much higher on the list. Every moment we delay our intellectual development as a species is another moment of additional pain and suffering on an unimaginable scale.

10/10 worth a watch

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[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I love this. I love it because I immediately recognize the conversation. Know where I've seen it before? 1 Corinthians 7.

Yup, this conversation about the challenge of pursuing higher ends despite the natural pull to family and relationships? It's the same struggle people have been toiling over for thousands of years. This stuff's in the Bible, and it hasn't really changed. Is the man who pursues a family instead of the Big Picture doing the wrong thing? the right thing? Who knows.

I think if we don't annihilate ourselves people will still be bickering over this question in another millenium.

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I have no position on the space spider, but I love that this debate is so simple and timeless.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 8 points 8 months ago

That's the coolest comment I've seen in awhile.

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think Interstellar made the opposite statement.
If we want to save humanity, we gotta throw people into black holes.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago

~YEEEEEET

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah and ignore basic ecology that would save humanity by just fucking planting beans and squash in addition to the corn.

Fucking colonizers never learned how to grow corn. Smh.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and ignore basic ecology that would save humanity by just fucking planting beans and squash in addition to the corn.

Wasn't the entire point that disease and blight killed off everything but corn?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That doesn't make any sense. Disease and blight are caused by mono cropping. Its literally caused by huge fields of corn.

The way you prevent this is with polycultues like the 3 sisters. Something that somehow NASA couldn't figure out

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

First of all, it's a movie. It's fiction. Secondly, blight and disease are most definitely not "caused" by monocropping. It just exacerbates things.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -1 points 8 months ago

Kinda ruined the whole movie for me. I was just screaming at the screen: WHAT?!? DONT GO TO SPACE, JUST PLANT BEANS AND SQUASH AND FRUIT TREES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.

I found it very concerning that people are so unaware of how the problems of mechanized monocropping are easily solved by planting traditionoal polycultures that humans have been using for thousands of years.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but feeeeeeeeelings are so much more important that science or being right.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ugh, you just described Star Trek Discovery, but add in a little faaaaaith!¡

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

If it weren't for that, I would really like Discovery. But it breaks the immersion so bad when they inject that shit in it.

[–] dadGPT@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

well in that case he shudbt have got married. once you marry there you have to be responsible.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 8 months ago

That's fair, but I don't see why he alone has to make all the sacrifices. Humanity would be a better people if sharing the burden were instinctual.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People tend to value what's important to them and their lives more than the things that they do not and cannot participate in. It's easy to prioritize sentimentality over things far bigger than you. Over advancing humanity, easing suffering, and understanding the universe. When those things are far beyond your capacity to understand and capability to do, they hold less interest to you than the simpler things you know. Family, friendships, and love are incredibly important and compelling. But so is the drive to discover, to create and to shape the future of the planet. Some people are just simple, though, and like things to remain simple.

Those who can, do it. Those who can't, teach it. Those who don't even comprehend, criticize it.

[–] jawsua@lemmy.one -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People tend to value what makes them feel important more than the things that they do not want to or cannot participate in emotionally. It's easy to prioritize career and personal achievements over providing support and fulfilling the promises you made to others in making a community, something far bigger than you. Over advancing humanity, easing suffering, and understanding each the universe within each other. When those things are far beyond your capacity to understand and capability to do, they hold less interest to you than the simpler things you were conditioned to strive after in capitalist propaganda or toxic machismo. Accolades, success, and recognition are incredibly important and compelling. But so is the drive to heal, to create and to shape the future of the planet through love. Some people are just simple, though, and like things to remain simple.

Those who can, do it. Those who can't, manage it. Those who don't even comprehend, criticize it. By regurgitating platitudes.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Touched a nerve, did I? Hey, notice how never did I say that either interpersonal or scientific endeavors were unimportant. In fact I said that they both were "incredibly important". And making me out to be a shill for capitalism or toxic masculinity... pfft. Not hardly.

You took my meaning entirely wrong. But please, get all defensive and self righteous because I was giving my perspective on why someone would profess the message OP took from a film. A message that was, to them, actually dismissive of one of those two endeavors. I wasn't suggesting they dismissed the wrong endeavor. I was suggesting why they may have dismissed one at all. Neither should be dismissed. More clear now?

[–] jawsua@lemmy.one -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lol nah, you weren't clear about not dismissing one view at all. I didn't get my feelings hurt, I used a literary structure of reversing the message to counter what you said, and I'd say it was pretty effective.

And please don't do that smarmy "u mad bro" schtick, because your word choices betray you. This wasn't a balanced and nuanced take. "Sentimentality ... far beyond your capacity to understand ... Some people are just simple ... " vs "bigger than you ... advancing humanity, easing suffering, and understanding the universe ... the drive to discover, to create and to shape the future of the planet". Your own preferences speak volumes. Now compare mine. What you read into my message is far more indicative than what the actual info is.

Maybe you were trying to say something different but your message was lost and muddied.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

The use of heavy handed wording was intentional but not to be dismissive of caring for family, friends, etc. It was meant to be dismissive of a person who thinks that science and discovery is a waste of time and that interpersonal connection is the ONLY thing that matters. THAT point of view is simple, is overly sentimental, is small. If someone is pushing that view than the only thing I can infer is that they simply do not understand the science or its importance, which, today, usually means they're incapable or too apathetic to try because the knowledge couldn't be much more accessible than it is. My preference is that science not be maligned as inconsequential or even detrimental. There is plenty of that anti-intellectual sentiment going around and I have no respect for it.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The problem is that there is no giant psychic space spider, but in fact a human pretending to write from the pov of a giant psychic space spider. Empathy only carries you so far before your own biases and cognitive distortions start to have an effect again.

There isn’t a right or wrong answer. It may also simply be that Sandlers character should focus on family. But maybe the answer would have been different for a different character

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think that inside the fictional setting of the movie there is a chance that the spider was real, and there are several clues that support this argument:

  1. The toilet making sounds at night was due to the spider turning the valve. The camera malfunctions could also be explained by the spider.

  2. It pinned Adam Sandler to a wall.

  3. Adam Sandler was told that the space cloud was the beginning of everything before he had actually observed it, and later it was observed to contain the information of every event since the dawn of time.

  4. Adam Sandler was somehow magically transported through the cloud to appear directly in front of the South Korean vessel, an astronomically low probability.

So while it's possible that he had simply gone insane from the very beginning, and that the spider was a halucination, it's actually kind of unlikely.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Oh you misunderstood my post—I meant that the writer could only write what they know, i.e. something from the perspective of a human