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[–] proper@lemmy.world 98 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

dispersement unit? Is that some sort of payment?

edit: I looked it up and lol it’s the place that processes child support payments.

Just tell your ex wife you don’t have an international treaty with her XD

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apparently child support is a massive thing that drives these people

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 41 points 1 year ago

Because they live in a fantasy world where you don't have to pay for things if you say the right thing.

It's often bills and debts. They are a bit more sad as the person may just be desperate and trying anything they can.

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

One of my old housemates went to crazy lengths to avoid child support payments. Signed away parental rights, worked just enough at this cash in hand day labor place to cover rent and eat off of food stamps, kept trying unsuccessfully to get on disability under the misguided belief that would stop the government trying to collect child support. Bragged to me directly about doing all of it. Like it was some genius plan to thwart the government.

Last I heard that housemate had come out as a trans woman and was trying to move into this commune out in like Colorado or Arizona something like that.

My own dad hid his income for years working under the table and arguing to bring his child support payments down until my mom was getting like $100 a month total for me and my brother. Claimed he was living almost entirely off his new girlfriend's income and the child support payments were too burdensome. That all came back to bite him in the ass though when he tried to apply for disability and got denied because he hadn't banked enough work credits in the last 10 years.

Some people will do nearly anything to avoid paying child support. It's crazy.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Child support is the reason for a LOT of sovcit activity.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Debt in general really. If these people just ran around yelling, "I don't know you! That's my purse!", and kept paying their debts I don't think I'd really have much of an issue with them.

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[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I do not understand your intent"

Reading the letter might help with that.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a letter regarding child support payments. I guarantee that they know what the intent is.

I'll go one further: I guarantee that child support payments contributed to their adoption of sov cit delusions, or their adoption of sov cit delusions contributed to their divorce.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Bottom one is from the US census. Which you're required by federal law fill out (specifically written in the US Constitution). I don't know if anyone would actually come after you for not filling it out, but I'm pretty sure writing crazy shit all over it and returning it would raise some red flags...

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I only answer the how many people live here question and leave the rest blank. No one has bothered following up with me. Guess it doesn't happen enough to make it worth enforcement.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I've never had anything but the short version personally. I always just filled it out cause it takes all of 5 minutes. You raise sort of a curious question though and it does appear that answering all the questions is mandatory. Apparently, at least according to the source below, they use statistical methods to fill in questions left blank. Also, again according to the source below, no one has been prosecuted since 1970 for failure to fill out a census. With that in mind they're probably fine sending in scribblings, but they might send an agent to their door after 5 mailings to do the enumeration in person.

https://www.prb.org/resources/u-s-2020-census-faq/

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[–] movies@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Next time my boss messages me I’ll reply with, “I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU.” Since he’s in Australia I expect this to work without a problem.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Wonder if your boss will be cool about it and just point out that you do in fact have a treaty with him since you know he pays you for services.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Can't go wrong.

add the all important All rights reserved without prejudice in your signature

[–] FoD@startrek.website 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is the exact type of handwriting I would assume they had.

Written inconsistently around an envelope with spelling errors, no thought to the length of what they are writing, and random capitalization.

Spot on.

[–] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the handwriting of a brain damaged toddler with a hand injury

[–] GoddessOfGouda@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hey now, or an engineer…. We have pretty terrible handwriting too sometimes

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget doctors. I suppose those are basically engineers for particularly squishy machines, though.

[–] Betch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

And just regular ol' autistic people with dysgraphia like me. Although I do relate to engineers and doctors a lot but I went the IT direction. I write using keyboards now.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

They at least can spell and capitalise properly.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Remind me never to show these people my handwriting....

In an earthquake.

[–] custard_swollower@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel personally insulted, I have similar hand writing :D

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just use blue ink, it’ll be fine.

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

ALL RIGHTS
RE8ERUED

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

It's to bad for them that they didn't write all of that at a 45 degree angle. The magic only works when written that way.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“I don’t have an international treaty with you”. Of course not, you’re not a country!

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

U.S. Military: Time to liberate some ~~oil~~ child support payments

[–] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

You don’t have to have an international treaty to be delivered mail anyway. It doesn’t make sense.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Without prejudice” — you keep using that phrase, but i do not think you know what it means.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I like how it's scribbled on an unopened envelope, presuming the nature of the contents. The dissonance here is loud.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“Not a U.S. Citizen”

I wonder who these dickheads vote for during elections

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Would they even be able to vote? That would require I.D. that isn't written in crayon.

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[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I wonder how fast they'd walk that back if ICE showed up.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Republican if they do vote. Trump was their boy.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bet they don't return the cheques from the illegal government they get in the post.

[–] Kolli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course not, that's from the secret account they had all along and it's actually win.

I've been stressed lately and how do I wish I could contract what they have: Intoxicating feeling of being in the special know, being the enlightened who knows the way of no pain and no responsibility, the trick of getting only the sweet side of everything. No responsibilities, only benefits. Being the king, who only wins and wins, while some unenlightened fools run like hamsters in a wheel.

It's like being in the fantasy, except it's here and it's tangible.

But no, here I am in the clutches of the cold, unloving reality where there is no free dinner.

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[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At what point do ya make a stamp or stickers to speed this process up? You can see he started down that road with the labels over the address, but didn’t see it fully through. Probably because FedEx Kinkos wouldn’t let him get stickers made without an international treaty.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A sticker wouldn't count according to sovcit logic. Basically if it's not pants on head insane chicken scratch then it isn't binding under their "wet ink" belief. Also something about red ink is special, but I haven't quite nailed that down yet. It doesn't help that sovcit lore is harder to trace than time travel in the movie Primer, and has more continuity issues than the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would assume it's because most government forms require you to fill them out in blue or black in. Being the edgelords they are, they picked a color of ink that would be rejected by most government institutions.

Nope, crazier than that:

They use red ink (or sometimes even blood) instead of blue or black ink to signify to the evil shadow government and their puppet judges that it is the true flesh-and-blood person who is signing a particular document and not the corporate shell.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I had gone down a red herring with it not long ago. I figured it was because of the original Hungarian Blood Oath/Contract. Good info! I'll update my sovcit lore accordingly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_oath_(Hungarians)

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm almost afraid to ask, but I keep seeing this shit... what is so magical about a "wet ink" signature? Ink dries fast, so I presume this means it's the original signture and not a copy of whatever contract (or treaty?) in question. I'm so confused.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really it's just a misunderstanding of contract law. While it's getting less common, because of esignatures growing in popularity, wet ink signatures used to be required on some contracts. Which is really someone just physically making a mark on a physical piece of paper. Basically sovcits decided that "wet ink" applied to everything, which I can assure you is not the case.

Here's some more actual info about wet ink signatures:

https://www.adobe.com/acrobat/business/resources/wet-signature.html

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

A misunderstanding of contract law explains the whole sovereign citizen movement.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

ALL RIGHTS REGERUGO

[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

It looks like they are trying to cast spells in legalize jargon. It is missing the simulated bloody thumb print in red ink though.

Someone should pass around that the reason they have so many problems with this working is because it all has to actually be in Latin.

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