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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 126 points 8 months ago (6 children)

A LLM that behaves like a typical Redditor?

What possible use is that?

[–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Air Canada offering a refund of tree fiddy.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You'll get your refund eventually but first it will try and gaslight you that Air Canada is a woke mind virus before calling you an asshole and then stalking you.

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[–] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What possible use is that?

I've noticed "has this sub gotten more right wing recently?" posts reaching the top post of the day in the last 6 months or so. r/norge and r/unitedkingdom being examples. You can automate bots that change a subreddit's consensus on certain topics by bot-spamming threads pertaining to those topics, especially in the first hour of a thread going up. I don't know if that's happening, or if it has more to do with the Reddit protest that saw mods abdicate their positions last June and new mods being responsible for the change... but it could also be a bit of both.

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[–] garibaldi_biscuit@lemmy.world 110 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is what the 3rd party access to API was really all about.

When API access was allowed , all reddit content was effectively free: They needed to ban 3rd party apps so they could sell the accumulated content. I expect using content to train AI also factors into it.

[–] bier@feddit.nl 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Is it? Because when you build a bot and just scrape Reddit I don't think you can just use the content to train AI, just like the New York Times. The API change was definitely to sell more ads and get a higher IPO, but I don't think it was because of AI.

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[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 104 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Reddit is a trove of user built content under the guise of community. What Spez did was to say "thanks for all the free work, suckers!", put a price sticker on it, and laughed all the way to the bank.

~~And this is why I'm not active on any Internet community anymore.~~ Nevermind, I guess I just can't help myself...

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (7 children)

And this is why I’m not active on any Internet community anymore,

you typed.

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[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (6 children)

And that is another unintended example of why all of my post history was purged before migration.

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[–] Verserk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Considering some of the very wrong and upvoted domain specific knowledge I've seen on Reddit over the years I'm not sure the training data is going to be useful for much beyond what every other model can do.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The legal advice in /r/legaladvice was some of the worst garbage I've ever seen. I have zero doubt numerous had bad outcomes, at best wasting money and time, at worst spending years in jail because of things that sub told them to say and do. Zero doubt.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago

That sub was mostly cops just repeating their own bad interpretation of the law. Terrible.

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[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

lol subreddits with troll names like trees vs marijuana enthusiasts. Good fun. John cena has one also but can’t recall which subreddit is actually about John cena though.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Potato salad

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 59 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is why I don't blame anyone for editing/deleting their post history on reddit.

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[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Considering how much of Reddit is already bots, I'm sure this will end fantastically.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The AI:

"IANAL so could you ELI5, so AITA?

THIS."

[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ann frankly, I did Nazi that coming.

[–] storcholus@feddit.de 22 points 8 months ago

Holy shit do I hate that comment

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] ozoned@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (6 children)

"Reddit has given access to YOUR conversations and posts to AI companies.". FTFY

These were created by people, for peoole, and I will ALWAYS disagree that this data is Reddit's or any other platforms.

Don't forget your direct messages aren't end to end encrypted on Reddit, so now AI will be trained on your craziest "private" conversations

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Reddit is all bots, porn, ads and political shit posts. Good luck getting any useful training content out of that.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Maybe that's the point? Training the AI to produce the blabbering bullshit that's preferred in social media?

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[–] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

With reddits severe bot problem, it'll be like training on unfiltered sewage. Garbage in, garbage out.

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[–] SVcross@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Damn it. I haven't deleted my account due to how many people I've supported and helped, I stopped using it while ago. It seems I'll have to.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't bother. They'll just mark all your stuff DELETED=1 and feed it to their AI anyway.

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[–] asymmetric@lemmy.ca 26 points 8 months ago

One of the original Reddit memes was quite prescient:

https://i.imgur.com/Fza1Cut.jpg

[–] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Good thing I scrubbed all of my posts and comments that I could. Fuck that site, straight up and down.

[–] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 21 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You really think they don't have your original comments stored?

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's literally been proven that they do. A guy here on Lemmy was a very common poster on some tech support subreddit. He used one of those account scrubbers and deleted his account. He went back to look a few weeks later and all his comments were back.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I didn't delete my account but I used a script to edit all my messages to say that I have left because of the attack on 3rd party apps and when I check now they all still say that.

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 25 points 8 months ago (7 children)
[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You signed it all away the moment you scrolled down that EULA 😂

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[–] erAck@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 8 months ago (11 children)

It will get trained on some comment posts.

Let reddit die. Join Lemmy or /kbin. https://join-lemmy.org/ https://kbin.pub/

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[–] hansl@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

In before poisoning your comments on Reddit turns into the new protest.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago

I wish there was a license for content like the GPL, that states if you use this content to train generative AI, the model must be open source. Not sure that would legally be enforceable though (due to fair-use).

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Good. Maybe when it cogitates the things I've written it might start offering up some better ideas.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

*laughs villainously* This is all going to plan, now there will be some chatbot spewing my insane beliefs

[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why does it sound like reddit trained AI will only get dumber.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 8 months ago

That would explain why GPT is often so confidently incorrect.

[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Who's dumb enough to pay for that? Everyone else is just scraping it for free.

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[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So AI models are not farming the federation?

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They probably are, but not the personal/private info like chat/DM, upvotes or downvotes, geolocation, etc which I highly suspect Reddit did sell.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Just FYI, your voting is fully public on Lemmy. DMs are “private” but could be intercepted at the server level of any instances involved (yours and the receiver/sender) and of course your geolocation info is visible to the server.

Not saying that is happening, and not trying to spread FUD, but be aware that your info isn’t necessarily private just because a corpo isn’t directly involved.

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[–] giddy@aussie.zone 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Glad I nuked all my posts and comments and deleted my account last year

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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 13 points 8 months ago

i am so glad i deleted all my posts. im sure they have backup hisory though :(.

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Good thing I had multiple bots overwrite my content before I deleted it all. Not that someone couldn't recover it, I'm not naive. But the AI bots should miss me.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I am not sure on what I'm going to say, but I think that LLMs are a technological dead end. They might get some use now, but eventually the industry will shift towards better models for machine text generation. And, if those models rely on a tiny corpus of hand-reviewed data, instead of shoving down as much text as possible into the model (the first "L" in "LLM" is "large"), then Reddit posts/comments will become outright useless.

In other words: Reddit is degrading further the trust of its userbase, and it might not even get much in return.

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