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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 350 points 7 months ago (27 children)

Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I'll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 165 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.

Now people have no choice ... they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.

People were always aware of the bullshit ... in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it ... now people can't.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 92 points 7 months ago

Cost benefit analysis. I'm Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen "company loyalty" and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 72 points 7 months ago

I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn't say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn't have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Much easier said than done.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know, I'm an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it's worth it.

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[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Started with Gen X, which is why the baby boomers retiring is creating such a desperate demographic crisis. Nobody wants to buy into such an obviously corrupt system, which has rewarded every consecutive generation with less and less compensation despite the abundantly obvious massive advances in productivity. People are realizing that most of their work is not at all about generating value, but instead is all about occupying their time and energy in an apparent attempt to reduce competition.

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[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 178 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

As a Gen-Xer who's been beaten into believing you can't realistically "fight the man", I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 85 points 7 months ago

The housing market is fucked, economic mobility is fucked, the climate is fucked. They've already lost to the man, what else do they have to lose?

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago

As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you can’t realistically “fight the man”, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.

Seriously. Give them hell Gen-Z!

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[–] sneezymrmilo@lemmy.world 149 points 7 months ago (4 children)

As a millennial, I honestly have a lot of respect for Gen Z. I feel like they are slowly but surely figuring out how to stick it to the man and generate awareness of how the big corporations are slimy scum and don't see employees as "People". Go Gen Z!

[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago

Honestly they've been incredible. They've been politically active since they were teens and they care more about work/life balance than any other generation before (anecdotally). They've been dealt a shit hand but I'm rooting for them.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago (15 children)

I was thinking about this just yesterday. After watching Frankie's cultural observation on boomers, where he says that "boomers are the first generation in history that wanted to do better than their children", I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids. The boomers parents, while the "greatest" generation, were raised by an even stricter generation of parents who believed in things like not picking up a crying baby, and probably resulted in Boomer parents that, thanks to WW2, were also an untreated PTSD generation. Alcoholism was just dad's being dad's and pre ww2 moms stayed home to keep home and hearth with a little help from the snuff tin. Several generations of war torn parents ignorant of how to deal with what they went through, raising more kids for the next war. From the civil war to Vietnam, every generation had a war or two on their plate. Then our small communities were randomly spread out into suburban experiments to support the industrial revolution. Now no one knows their neighbor, they just go to work. Then the millennials were sent to war. We had heard the stories growing up about how great our nations fighting forces were. Now it was our turn. We had the most righteous of reasons to fight. But this time, when looking to the boomers to lead us, we found a bunch of disfunctional brats. Their maturity was a ruse. They didn't know any better than we did on how to deal with this world. Their parents won the great war, setup the economy, spanked them, never hugged them, and then handed them the keys to the company and retired to Florida. So the bratty boomers without a clue bullied their kids out the door and into the world. There we stood, 18 and primed to take it on. But there was nothing left to take. Then the bubble they blew popped and we shipped out to Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and even after 20 years we still had nothing to show for it. No house, no good paying job, no health care, and a degree with the weight of never ending debt chained to it. The boomers are and always have been, brats. You see them out there on their Harley's brrrraaaaatttting around. So when we started having kids, we said no. No we're not going to beat our kids, no we're not going to shame them for who they love, no we're not going to "be a man" and shut up about our war trauma. But the brats still had all the power. They refused to let go of their toy. So we put ourselves to work on trying to fix the only thing we had the power to fix, ourselves. We started normalizing therapy, researching drug and alcohol addiction. We dug into the data. We acted like adults, we admitted we have a problem and we did the rigorous and SCIENTIFIC work of finding the solutions. We broke the cycle. We've really earnestly tried to raise thoughtful, honest about themselves, proud adults who ask why. We didn't ignore them, we answered them honestly, we admitted there's a problem. But we don't have enough time to set it right in our life time. The brats won't let go. We need Gen Z to carry the torch forward. Question everything, do the hard work, admit when you were wrong, be willing to change your mind when new data is discovered. I'm proud of these kids. I want them to do better than us. We got your back kid.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 140 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 7 months ago

Then you share the text messages. Even easier

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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 122 points 7 months ago (14 children)

Funny how quickly and easily the media can turn "generations" against each other

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I love Gen Z, which is why I'm so upset that the dumb fucks are using TikTok.

[–] Avg@lemm.ee 25 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Can't blame them, my generation popularized social networks even after finding out what they were for.

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't care what the source is, if there's a Gen [insert whatever] or Millennials might be to blame for [insert whatever] I'm already at a -10 on the trust meter right out the gate.

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[–] einat2346@lemmy.today 101 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Influencer or not, however, those who stream videos of themselves being fired from their job risk facing repercussions, such as violating severance agreements, the BBC reported. Job termination videos can also backfire on those who post them if viewers find the post vindictive or unprofessional.

"Generally speaking, such moves are a double-edged sword. The literature on whistleblowers, a more extreme form of publicly sharing bad practices, shows that people get stigmatized for doing so," Ben Voyer, an ESCP Business School professor who founded the Gen Z Observatory, told Business Insider in a recent article.

"Generally, society doesn't reward people that engage in behaviors that some may see as a betrayal. Pushing such content online is a way to get moral support on the one hand, and a little revenge on the other hand," he said.

If you're confused about who to blame, remember that one side debates on whether they should purchase a mega yacht, or have a more reasonable "support" yacht trailing the main one for their helicopter/staff.

[–] Tamo240@programming.dev 47 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Not even Millennials see action against your employer as 'betrayal'. Company loyalty is dead, and this professor is out of touch.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If the majority do it, it can no longer be extreme.

I'm enjoying the generational divide coming from Gen-Z.

Previous generations wanting to avoiding "burning bridges" only served corporate interests.

Workers need stop fearing our corporate overlords. We out number them.

They've manipulated the political process to shattered the social contract and must be held accountable.

I'm still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 98 points 7 months ago

The kids are alright

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 93 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad it's happening, but... fuck, why does it have to?

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 36 points 7 months ago

Greed and they don't give a fuck about you. And it's going to keep happening, again and again, until we change it.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My favourite generation so far

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 60 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I've been hearing about how older generations always hate younger generations all my life. How I must be destined to grow in to some crochety old man by 40.

I gotta say these kids seem like they're headed in a pretty good direction, they're funny, they're not taking shit, frankly it seems like it's going pretty well.

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[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 88 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict

[–] TravisKelce@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

As an older GenX I thank the Millenials for that. Generation Z seems to love their consumerism a little too much but at least they seem to know who's screwing them and its not the poor folk.

[–] LocoOhNo@lemmus.org 82 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I quit Lowe's a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the "HR" person typed what I was saying verbatim.

There's no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 50 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I love exit interviews.

P.s. Chris, you were the worst manager I’ve ever had. You’re a terrible human. That’s why the entire department left and got hired at another company… the one I went to. The entire department, Chris. I made that happen.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 78 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Gen Z is a better generation than mine

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 86 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As a millennial, I'm proud. Every generation should strive to be better than the last.

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[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 68 points 7 months ago (1 children)

“Growing tik toc trend” only gives one example that we’ve all already watched. Either it’s a lie about it being a trend or piss poor reporting.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 67 points 7 months ago (7 children)

This is how right-wing idiots got trolled into believing that schools were getting litter boxes for furries.

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 60 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

This is the most punk rock thing I've seen folks do in a long time.

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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 59 points 7 months ago

“we can often tell within three months or less of a sales hire, even during the holidays, whether they're going to be successful or not”

Did not cancel their Christmas vacation, fire them immediately.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Social media-induced work reform incoming?

[–] Deello@lemm.ee 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.

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[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel for this woman I really do, but, I don't feel like she did her research beforehand. Had she, she would've immediately seen that cloudflare is an absolutely despicable, corpo nightmare, a shining beacon of what every publicly traded company aspires to be. She could've seen this coming. Or she did and choose to ignore it, thinking it wouldn't happen to her.

Grab a coffee, this is a long one:

https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/readme/en.md

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Been in the tech industry for 15 years now.

Every tech company is shit in some way.

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[–] Zennyker@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

I mean, people need jobs to pay the bills. She might have decided it was a risk she'd have to run

The whole talk of "I wanted to believe in this company" is just to disarm the HR people

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