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[–] rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works 93 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Yes, let's fight prejudice by stereotyping a whole race, gender, and sexual orientation...

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's concerning how much support these types of statements get.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

--Dr. Martin Luther King Junior

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

"Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to re-educate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn."

“The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power.”

“First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”.”

--Dr. Martin Luther King Junior

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

MLK Jr., famous for talking about how much he loves white moderates right

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

MLK Jr, the guy that has that one quote about white moderates that gets paraded around constantly while 90% of his other words are completely ignored.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

He never stereotyped whites as a distinct singular identity that I can recall, it was always about their relation to maintaining inequality. One of his most impactful actions was convincing white and black unions to strike together, and that the fight for jobs and equality was one poor whites and blacks needed to share. In "The Other America" he constantly references poor white populations who share in the struggle.

MLK Jr never divided people by race like this, he thought that was one of the Three Evils plaguing American society.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn."

- Dr. Martin Luther King Junior

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[–] anytimesoon@lemmy.ml 87 points 7 months ago (11 children)

The point should be to bring everyone up, not pull others down, though

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 58 points 7 months ago

There aren’t a limited amount of rights that can only be handed out to be shared amongst people.

There are just rights and everyone should be entitled to them.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 32 points 7 months ago (6 children)

That’s impossible since the point was a superficial elevation of their own interests.

Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.

[–] H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.

I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that, but those don't represent the entire movement and usually only pay lip service to the cause where it aligns with their personal beliefs. They should be ignored.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that

Those aren't radicals; those are reactionary trolls who falsely claim allegiance to the movement in order to discredit it.

[–] psud@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

For a while it seemed like that minority owned the term "feminism"

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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 11 points 7 months ago

There's also a psychological phenomenon that occurs in 'elite classes' where they think that someone getting more means they get less. They literally cannot fathom someone getting welfare without it affecting them negatively. It's one of the reasons why poor people still support Republicans.

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

No shit, the only thing leftists want to pull down are systems of exploitation.

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Meanwhile, the Right want to pull down your trousers to check your "gender".

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

At the same time, privileged people will still sometimes feel a loss of something when you're portioning out a finite resource. So if a particular group is 25% of the population and they were getting 75% of the pie before and now they're getting 25% of the pie, that's a loss. It's a justified loss, but it's still a loss.

That said, there are other things like rights that are not finite in any meaningful sense of the word. When someone is feeling a loss because an oppressed group gained rights, it's usually because they're an oppressive asshole.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"White people be like" memes, so progressive

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[–] Kachilde@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

That IS the point, and rarely do equality or equity initiatives “pull down” anyone.

But the Haves feel like they’ve earned their position, and that means that if you help a Have Not in any way, you are taking away from their achievement (which in this case is “not being born poor/black/female”)

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The issue is that people generally view their situation not by how much they have, but how much more they have than others. It's like a race to these people - who's winning isn't based on how close to the goal they are, it's based on how far ahead of the competitors they are. People who have everything they need often see others getting to that same point as competitors catching up, and, seeing that they are not advancing themselves, they feel that they need to prevent that in order to maintain their lead. It's meant to be everyone working together, but few see it that way, especially among the current "winners."

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The issue is that people generally view their situation not by how much they have, but how much more they have than others.

Some people are that way, but not "people generally."

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[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago

Making sure the rain forest isn't destroyed doesn't mean letting the pinebarrens be converted into a strip mall.

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I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

-Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th President of the United States

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's funny because extending rights to marginalized people does not by any means diminish the rights of the privileged.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Turns out, the cruelty of knowing you have more rights than others was part of the fun the whole time.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 7 months ago

No doubt that's appealing to some (one example is the USA civil rights movement in the 1960s, especially with states conforming to federal laws that mandate desegregation of schools) but I think another advantage for the privileged is the lack of competition for good jobs, study places etc.. If 50% of your peers are kept in slums then just by biological outcomes (lack of nutrition and sleep) the odds are very much in your favor. Throw in the psychological effects of poverty, mass incarceration, addiction and you have a situation like a running race where half the contestants have a broken leg. Fear of a level playing field might be another factor in why the privileged don't want equal rights. BUT, imagine if we had 50% more people working on a cure for cancer etc.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think a lot of equity arguments bug me because they often fail to address the real issue (at least in the workplace). It's a matter of attitude, rather than parity/proportionality.

However much we hate it, the majority of people in a stem field will still seek a straight white man out when we look for authority/expertise. That isn't because they are the greatest expert, or that they hold the highest accessible authority, but because it is an ingrained belief. That's just wrong, on so very many levels, that I cannot even begin to express how stupid it is.

Some people have spotted this issue, but their solution is abhorrent - denigrate this group. Raise a generation that looks on this group with contempt, to at least remove the component of authority. It will solve the problem, but it will create a lot more down the line as it becomes the accepted solution. Shall we have a generational genetic lottery forever?

Oddly enough, I think the "blurring of gender lines" brought about by the trans movement might offer a more meaningful solution to some part of this problem, as it erases the categories themselves, rather than attempting to shift their position.

[–] FraidyBear@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Imo blurring genderlines and rendering them useless as a meaningful measure of power is precisely why so many in power now don't want the gender/trans movement to gain any traction. If people were to realize that gender truly was nothing more than your outward appearance and did not in any way impact someone's ability to gain power, knowledge, or success then we could end up with a WOMAN in powerful positions or even worse the women could actually start to gain allies with the power to change things when former white cishet male presenting people who still speak with their white cishet friends about all the I justices women face start to get outraged on their friends behalf.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes Stormy, we're gonna hunt you for sport. You and the rest of the Pod 6 jerks.

[–] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I loved that show.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

I knew Lemmy was a good place, and then the sealab memes came.

Now it's better.

[–] wick@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seeeaaalaaab underneath the water

God damn that theme song is a banger

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[–] gardylou@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

♪If you're looking for me, You better check under the sea, 'cause that is where you'll find me, Underneath the sea, lab, Underneath the water, Sealab, at the bottom of the sea.♪

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There can be only none, Debbie!

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago

Marduk desires not the barren wasteland of your desiccated viscera.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know Ellis Henican has a whole ass career that isn't voice acting, but it kills me we only ever got him as Stormy Waters and nothing else. He's got such a great voice!

[–] heyou@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Him saying "Marduk, son of Ia, Slayer of Tiamat" inexplicably runs through my head all the time

[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It took me a second to understand "cishet" I'm not used to seeing both terms smudged together and shortened line that

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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Equal rights are a threat to hegemony. Losing hegemony is scary for the privileged, as it is status quo.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Yes! Let's beat hate, by hating a different group......

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