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    [–] paskalivichi@sh.itjust.works 253 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The Gordon Ramsey of software

    [–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

    In a parallel universe, there's a version of Linus who runs a restaurant that makes noma look like a taco bell.

    [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's pretty funny that Gordon Ramsey is actually a sweet guy and plays up the angry cook guy on TV.

    [–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    In the UK version of Hell's Kitchen you can see this side of him. In one episode he just hung out at the beach with his whole team and it was so wholesome.

    The US show is cut in a way that emphasizes his outbursts, it's much worse.

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Same with kitchen nightmares.

    In the US version, we see rage Ramsay

    In the UK version we see despair Ramsay

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    [–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Eh, this is somewhat true, and he's dug into this a few times. Some is put up for TV, but he's inclined to be annoyed at people that call themselves chefs, take people's money, and serve them sub-par products. In a few shows, like the one with Angela Hartnett where she took over The Connaught, it showed that he's still an angry dude, but that it was needed because he's taking over the restaurant at one of London's finest hotels. Michelin Star places seem to be the same boiling pot of bullying and anger to strive for the best possible quality.

    Some chefs, like J Kenji Lopez Alt have called it and him out several times on it, because it's a very damaging practice, and one that spreads throughout the industry from wannabe Ramsay's that thinks intimidation is needed to make food.

    I'm sure Ramsay is a lovely guy in person, but I would hate to work for him.

    [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    18 years in restaurants checking in: Gordon Ramsay is not very far from the mean at all. In fact, I'd say he's a mean mean man of average rage, and it's the nature of the industry that does this to us. It's flat-out abusive even in its best implementation, and the far and away vast majority of restaurants are purposefully exploitative. This goes double for back of house. I was usually a server or bartender, though I did work every hourly position at some point in my career. Front of house at least gets compensated more the busier they are. Back of house gets what they get whether they sell two orders of fries in an evening or they spend all shift with ten tickets on the rail and 30 open menus. Back of house also doesn't get paid all that well, outside of a few rockstars. It's a super high stress position, and that stress level is completely unpredictable. Any random Tuesday afternoon you could find yourself behind the line all alone as the third bus pulls into the parking lot. The extremely variable nature of the stress means two things:

    1. You don't cook as a career unless you love turning out great food. You might do a couple years just because you need a job but it's so hard on your mind and body that after a while you literally either love it or leave it.

    2. Eventually everyone in the kitchen becomes what Robert Anton Wilson called "...the walking wounded...slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief." There's a lot of PTSD in kitchens and, because hurt people hurt people, it tends to spread to new people and reinforce itself in veterans. In the highest volume store I ever worked in we used to joke that sexual harassment and bullying were just how we said "Hello". It's not okay, but it's the reality on the ground. It tends to develop spontaneously because of the way restaurants work and once it takes root it's really hard to get rid of.

    So the average restaurant worker is half Anthony Bourdain, here for the love of food and people, trying to experience new and great things and build new and great things for other people to experience just out of a general enthusiasm for humanity. He's also half Gordon Ramsay, throwing an overcooked steak back at you because a cow had to die to make it and our guest had to sell a little bit of their life to afford it, so you will fucking respect both of their sacrifices and turn out some good fucking food. It's love, and it's pride, and it's trauma, and it's passion for what is essentially an unrecognized folk art. And if it paid the bills I'd go back in a heartbeat.

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    [–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 162 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    The tone may be a bit harsh but it's muuuuch better than how he used to be during his most toxic days. This is how he used to talk: https://www.networkworld.com/article/706908/security-torvalds-to-bad-security-devs-kill-yourself-now.html

    Linus definitely got much better at handling his anger since his public apology in 2018.

    [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 79 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    [I]f you have anything to do with security in a distro, and think that my kids (replace ‘my kids’ with ‘sales people on the road’ if you think your main customers are businesses) need to have the root password to access some wireless network, or to be able to print out a paper, or to change the date-and-time settings, please just kill yourself now. The world will be a better place,” he wrote.

    Hah love it

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    [–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 50 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    reads the article

    considers the triggers prompting the outburst

    He’s… not wrong.

    Not right, but definitely not wrong. There is a big difference between effective security and total security. He was dumping on total security, which in many ways is worse than no security at all.

    [–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

    Indeed, I think he just wanted to get the point across that it is a dangerous approach.

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    [–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

    That's not even his worst stuff. That seems pretty tame imo.

    [–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, telling someone to kill themselves is something that I've heard a lot, it usually never means "go and literally do it", it's more of an expression... But the fact that it was used in that context is just disturbing.

    Doesn't mean it's ever the right thing to say.

    Especially among professionals

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    [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 74 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, this happened two days ago? Further reading:

    Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

    -The Register

    [–] SpeakinTelnet@programming.dev 24 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Here's the specific response and it's even better than anticipated.

    https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2401.3/04208.html

    [–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    I love this part:

    the next time I see you copying VFS functions (or any other core functions) without udnerstanding what the f*ck they do, and why they do it, I'm going to put you in my spam-filter for a week.

    Like after all that he will just block him for a week 🤣 I would block them for a year minimum or forever...

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    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

    flames

    Now there's a bit of internet slang I haven't heard since vBulletin!

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 59 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    You should do one of these a day.

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    [–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 43 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The follow-up discussion was informative and the original commiter learned something. We all learned something when we read the discussion.

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    [–] Ohi@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    "It is not what you say that matters but the manner in which you say it; there lies the secret of the ages." - William Carlos Williams

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    To be honest, yes, this is very true. Politicans use this all the time... and I just hate it when they talk for like 30 minutes and basically say nothing.

    [–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Business people too. They have a way of speaking that kind of pacifies and exhausts you, so that by the time they're finished speaking you're confused and don't really feel like arguing anymore

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    [–] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

    That's what I tell myself nearly every day.

    [–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I literally just wrapped a web app I've been working on for a few months. I'm so proud of myself. I take a deserved break and see this.

    I hate everybody.

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    [–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I want this man along with Richard Stallman and the creator of Slackware to be immortal

    [–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Patrick Volkerding. It's amazing he's still managing his own Linux distro after all of these years. And I'm eternal grateful for him refusing to adopt systemd and pulseaudio when they were both not mature and stable enough and most other distros didn't care.

    [–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Most users actually have enjoyed both systemd and pulseaudio for many years now. They are both some of the best technology we have in the Linux world.

    [–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 16 points 9 months ago

    Yes, they are mature and stable now. But they weren't when they were first introduced into Ubuntu, for example.

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    [–] OozingPositron@feddit.cl 33 points 9 months ago

    Linux "Based" Torvalds

    [–] lawrence@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    There is no problem with reusing code, as long as you take some time to understand it.

    [–] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

    that is the i-didn't-invent-linux way to put it

    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    The only thing worse than code I don't understand is code I do understand that's literally been copied and pasted sixteen times in the same file.

    Literally encapsulation, its the first fucking thing they teach you in Dev 101, my fucking god people please I'm begging you!

    [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    I went to school for actuarial sciences but im basically an overpaid python programmer. If an actual dev evee see my code, they would shot in the face for sure (at least my boss thinks im a magician because I do in half an hour in poorly optimized python code processes it took him days to do on excel). I don't even know what encapsulation even means lmao.

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    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Linus needs to make no corrections to his behaviour. His apology was needless.

    He only flames those who make dumb mistakes, should know better, keep doing it, and don't respect the gravity of the situation. Linux is used on MARS. Pretend to care.

    There is a pattern to the people who get upset when they've earned a rebuke from Linus. Those people could get over themselves.

    [–] zurohki@aussie.zone 120 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Well, kind of.

    Linus needs to call out bad code, it's an important part of Linux's quality control. He doesn't need to tell people to kill themselves.

    [–] zik@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Also, humiliating someone in front of the whole LKML list by calling their code garbage isn't constructive. It's the reason why a lot of people take one look at that toxic cesspit and walk the other way.

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    [–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

    Yea anger issues is no joke

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    [–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

    It's like a metaphor for Linux itself

    Are you allowed to make changes to the kernel? Sure, go ahead.

    But FAFO applies. If you come at the king, you'd best not miss.

    [–] menemen@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Why didn't he use any swear words? I am confused.

    [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Insulting without using swear words requires more skill.

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    [–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

    At this point he's to coding what Gordon Ramsay is to fine dining.

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