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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 204 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That’s a weird way of bragging about understaffing leading to overwork, but I guess it explains why they can’t kick those quality issues.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 137 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Statements like that are just going to make it easier for the UAW to unionise those plants. Union factory workers don't sleep on the floor.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That does make a compelling campaign slogan. While I assume Musk's statement should not be taken literally, IIRC he made similar statements about Twitter. Shortly after, there were countless reports of how awful it suddenly became to work at Twitter.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 19 points 9 months ago

You're actually right, this would look great on a poster. I hadn't even considered that, it was just a statement of fact.

[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 130 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Spoiler: it won't be $25,000.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I do t think musk will get his 25 either

In related news, Musk gave Tesla an ultimatum earlier this month: increase his ownership in the company to 25% or he will cut back on its development of AI and robotics The billionaire already owns 13% of the EV giant, or approximately 411 million shares. However, it seems he won't be happy unless he's awarded another 12%.

Another ridiculous thing, the article says this new model might comes without steering wheel or pedals... .his self driving is no where near ready for that, especially since he cheaps out and uses cameras on high end models, the cheap one is going to have even worse cameras instead of the lidar they should all have

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Give me more of the company or I'll destroy the company

[–] harry_balzac@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

...or I'll continue to destroy the company

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This guy has never been able to hit his MSRP goals.

That said, if he can’t ship a crossover for $35k, Volvo-Polestar will eat his lunch with the ex30. And like Telsa, Volvo has markup-free / commission-free purchase options. I got my last Volvo for MSRP. Ordered online with no BS.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 11 points 9 months ago

If it weren’t for the whole everything-controlled-via-infotainment-screen thing, the EX30 would be on the short list for my next vehicle, but that’s a dealbreaker. I’m still rooting for Volvo, at least as much as I’d “root” for a company.

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[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 95 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Lots of interesting articles and research talking about the problem of many CEOs exhibiting psychopathic traits but it being accepted. For example.

https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/

“Our culture also glorifies and rewards successful leaders who may lie somewhere on the spectrum of psychopathy or who, if not actually psychopathic, nevertheless display traits that psychopathic individuals frequently have. The problem, of course, is that while psychopaths may have a lot of charisma and creativity, they may also lack, as already mentioned, socially important qualities such as empathy and morality.”

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah this is why there is so much suffering under capitalism.

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

The key thing is that it's not our culture, it's the material interests of the rich that elevate psychopaths to power. The culture follows.

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 95 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Because fuck family time ... This dude wants slaves. He can get fucked

[–] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Old habits die hard

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 86 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Damn, he's admitting his company is so close to collapse that everyone will have to literally sleep on the floor there just to try to save the business?

Bold move.

[–] steve_floof@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

It worked for Twitter, right…. Right…?

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 80 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Man i don't wanna buy a car made by people who aren't sleeping in a bed. Come on, now.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago

Tesla's quality control is already shit.

Imagine how much worse it could get if the workers are even more sleep deprived.

[–] kusuriya@infosec.pub 80 points 9 months ago

Saying we expect our employees to act as slaves, weird flex there Space Karen.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't the model 3 supposed to be the affordable version

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Is $25k affordable? How much are cars? 25k sounds like a fuckload of money.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For a new car? $25k is a pretty low price, at least in the US. My car was $24k new 10 years ago. It wasn't particularly special then.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

$25K for a full electric car is the lowest price ever in the U.S.

I paid $21K for a used gasoline Honda Civic coupe just 2 years ago.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Chevy Bolt was under $25k before the $7500 credit. Now the same car is $40k.

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[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Some people pay like $60-80k for those big trucks you see

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

But they don’t need a union

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a shitty boss. Also, I think OHSA is gonna have a field day with this.

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Who is this message even for? Not the workers obviously. Does it instill the investors with confidence? "Production is so poorly managed and staffed that we have to rely on people working overtime." Does it increase demand? "Come buy these vehicles assembled by overworked, sleep-deprived line workers, hope it works out if you get in an wreck!" It's entirely for his own ego.

[–] Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip 30 points 9 months ago

This guy probably thinks he's doing his employees a favor by paying them for the work they perform for him

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

Welp. It's time for Tesla workers to unionize, and hard

[–] steve_floof@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago

Tesla already has the highest accident risk, are they trying to increase their lead?

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

This is why the simple existence of billionaires is violence. You simply cannot become filthy rich without profiting off of the suffering of others. This motherfucker could pay people enough to never have to even consider sleeping on a factory floor. Hell, he could probably double his workforce and still pay that well and be filthy rich.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 25 points 9 months ago
[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Delivered 4 - 8 years later, $25,000 more, 50 mile range, no screen and a radio tuned only to a station where his favorite coward of the moment reads their abhorent tweets

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[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are rumors that it could come without a steering wheel or any pedals to lower costs

Ehm what? Full self driving (and self crashing)??

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

Unless they found another legal loophole this will not happen. The reason Tesla can public test their FSD is because, legally, it's only autonomous level 2 and the responsibility falls on the driver. But autonomous level 2 also requires the steering wheel because the driver is supposed to keep their hands on the wheel at all times. No wheel means no level 2 and no level 2 means stricter regulations and stricter regulations most likely means higher costs.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"We really need the engineers to be living on the line. This is not sort of an off-the-shelf 'it just works' type of thing," Musk said. "That will be a challenging production ramp […] we'll be sleeping on the line, practically. Not practically, we will be," he added.

Man, can this guy rally the troops or what? With sentiment like this, who needs a pep rally or company retreat? /s

Worst. Boss. Ever.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Articles that start with "Elon Musk says..." 😄

This category of articles is getting more and more hilarious recently.

[–] myrdinn@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

I sure want to pay too much money for an unreliable potential fireball built by exhausted workers for a rich puppet that's been portrayed as a genius by a controlled main stream media owned by corporations and governments that use said puppet to build and fund tech used by the military to murder strangers around the world.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 9 months ago

He does know he can just hire more people and have them work shifts, right?

[–] downdaemon@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

i saw a tesla truck today for the first time and it looked stupid. its seriously like something from a 90s 3d tank game

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 14 points 9 months ago

There's a concept of paid slaves.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Like Musk is going to let his employees sleep...

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ya take 16 tons, whaddya get?

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[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And the conditions are still better than what the collective agreements would require?

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[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

When your boss sleeps at the factory it shows commitment. When he makes you sleep at the factory it shows he’s an asshole.

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